Post by warrior1972 on Nov 30, 2013 16:50:26 GMT -8
ALL PRESIDENTS LIE. You can't even agree with THAT?
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"Excuse me, but where in the hell did I say that I don't agree? Yes, all Presidents (and all politicians for that matter) lie."
You didn't say that you DID agree, either....until right now.
If you and 101 had, this conversation would be over.
"But you seem to be missing the point I tried and apparently failed to make, that this OPINION PIECE was written by a partisan who tried to make the point (and succeeded with some) that since all Presidents tell lies, great and small, then by extension any lie told by the current occupant of the Oval Office should be okay. I tried to make the point that they are not "okay" and that actions (and lies) have consequences."
No, it does NOT say that lies are "okay". It says SOME lies are "forgivable", while others are not. (History has PROVEN that.) It does NOT say that Obama's lies should be "okay". And the article's author is a DAMNED SIGHT LESS PARTISAN than some of the OTHER OPINION PIECES that get treated like the FIFTH GOSPEL around here because they are written by RABIDLY PARTISAN OBAMA HATERS, and MOST of the posters on this board AGREE with rapidly partisan Obama haters, no matter WHAT they say.
HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS REGARDING BARACK OBAMA:
"Presidential lying is a hot topic because of a promise made by President Obama. While promoting Obamacare, Obama told Americans that they could keep their health insurance if they wanted to. That turned out to not be true for some, and Obama has been accused of lying.
Some political pundits warn that Obama's "lie" will undo his second term. They say Americans won't forgive a president who violates their trust. It's a good sound-bite, but it's bad history. A great leader must "be a great pretender and dissembler," Machiavelli said in "The Prince." And so should a president, some historians say.
Obama's statement will be judged by the same standard: Did it help the country, or did he say it just to save his bacon?
Obama apologized for saying people could keep their insurance if they like it. But some Americans who buy policies on the private market recently received cancellation notices because their plans don't meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.
Americans may forgive Obama if Obamacare improves their lives, says Christopher J. Galdieri, who teaches a course on the U.S. presidency at Saint Anslem College in New Hampshire."
THAT IS IT. THAT IS ALL.
And for THAT, it's supposed to be a "partisan opinion piece" in defense of Barack Obama??
About 90 percent of the article is about Presidential lying.
And yes, it's an "opinion piece".
SO WHAT?
Is there ANYTHING in it that is NOT true?
Republicans AND Democrats are accused of lying. THAT is the main topic of conversation, and THAT is MOST DEFINITELY true.
"BTW, the "relatively minor crime" that Nixon and company tried to cover up was the botched burglery of offices of the Democratic Party at the Watergate. It was the coverup (the lies) that eventually brought Nixon down, not the burglery itself."
Nothing wrong with authorizing the burglarizing of the offices of the opposition Party while looking for information that can be used in the upcoming Presidential campaign during an election year..... right?
"Now, Watergate does not bother me.
Does your conscience bother you, tell me true?"
Old Sailor, you would have puppies AND kittens, and DEMAND impeachment, if even so much as an ALLEGATION of such an offense were to happen regarding the Democrats and Republicans today, with the Democrats being the perpetrators, and Republicans as the victims, and you KNOW it.
"Relatively minor crime"?
You're kidding....right?
"If he had just kept his big mouth shut and tossed Liddy and a few of his staffers who were involved to the wolves I think Nixon would probably have survived."
No,if he hadn't authorized it in the first place, he WOULD have survived, or if he came clean as soon as possible, he MIGHT have survived. But being the slimeball Nixon was, it didn't even OCCUR to him, and so he didn't.
Sorry, Old Sailor, but you don't get anywhere with me defending Nixon.
He is indefensible, IMHO. And it's not due to Party politics. it's what he did to the integrity and credibility of AMERICAN politics, and the AMERICAN political process.
?? [/b]"Excuse me, but where in the hell did I say that I don't agree? Yes, all Presidents (and all politicians for that matter) lie."
You didn't say that you DID agree, either....until right now.
If you and 101 had, this conversation would be over.
"But you seem to be missing the point I tried and apparently failed to make, that this OPINION PIECE was written by a partisan who tried to make the point (and succeeded with some) that since all Presidents tell lies, great and small, then by extension any lie told by the current occupant of the Oval Office should be okay. I tried to make the point that they are not "okay" and that actions (and lies) have consequences."
No, it does NOT say that lies are "okay". It says SOME lies are "forgivable", while others are not. (History has PROVEN that.) It does NOT say that Obama's lies should be "okay". And the article's author is a DAMNED SIGHT LESS PARTISAN than some of the OTHER OPINION PIECES that get treated like the FIFTH GOSPEL around here because they are written by RABIDLY PARTISAN OBAMA HATERS, and MOST of the posters on this board AGREE with rapidly partisan Obama haters, no matter WHAT they say.
HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS REGARDING BARACK OBAMA:
"Presidential lying is a hot topic because of a promise made by President Obama. While promoting Obamacare, Obama told Americans that they could keep their health insurance if they wanted to. That turned out to not be true for some, and Obama has been accused of lying.
Some political pundits warn that Obama's "lie" will undo his second term. They say Americans won't forgive a president who violates their trust. It's a good sound-bite, but it's bad history. A great leader must "be a great pretender and dissembler," Machiavelli said in "The Prince." And so should a president, some historians say.
Obama's statement will be judged by the same standard: Did it help the country, or did he say it just to save his bacon?
Obama apologized for saying people could keep their insurance if they like it. But some Americans who buy policies on the private market recently received cancellation notices because their plans don't meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.
Americans may forgive Obama if Obamacare improves their lives, says Christopher J. Galdieri, who teaches a course on the U.S. presidency at Saint Anslem College in New Hampshire."
THAT IS IT. THAT IS ALL.
And for THAT, it's supposed to be a "partisan opinion piece" in defense of Barack Obama?
?About 90 percent of the article is about Presidential lying.
And yes, it's an "opinion piece".
SO WHAT?
Is there ANYTHING in it that is NOT true?
Republicans AND Democrats are accused of lying. THAT is the main topic of conversation, and THAT is MOST DEFINITELY true.
"BTW, the "relatively minor crime" that Nixon and company tried to cover up was the botched burglery of offices of the Democratic Party at the Watergate. It was the coverup (the lies) that eventually brought Nixon down, not the burglery itself."
Nothing wrong with authorizing the burglarizing of the offices of the opposition Party while looking for information that can be used in the upcoming Presidential campaign during an election year..... right?
"Now, Watergate does not bother me.
Does your conscience bother you, tell me true?"
Old Sailor, you would have puppies AND kittens, and DEMAND impeachment, if even so much as an ALLEGATION of such an offense were to happen regarding the Democrats and Republicans today, with the Democrats being the perpetrators, and Republicans as the victims, and you KNOW it.
"Relatively minor crime"?
You're kidding....right?
"If he had just kept his big mouth shut and tossed Liddy and a few of his staffers who were involved to the wolves I think Nixon would probably have survived."
No,if he hadn't authorized it in the first place, he WOULD have survived, or if he came clean as soon as possible, he MIGHT have survived. But being the slimeball Nixon was, it didn't even OCCUR to him, and so he didn't.
Sorry, Old Sailor, but you don't get anywhere with me defending Nixon.
He is indefensible, IMHO. And it's not due to Party politics. it's what he did to the integrity and credibility of AMERICAN politics, and the AMERICAN political process.
