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Post by 101ABN on Dec 10, 2013 16:35:26 GMT -8
"Does that mean EVERYBODY can carry a gun, ANY gun , ANY time, ANY where?"
Did I say that?
WELL?
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Post by tankcommander on Dec 10, 2013 17:05:17 GMT -8
Your people..... African Ameicans who's ancestors were brought here during the Atlantic slave trade. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that... My bad. And as for "or else, what'? OR THIS: You'll embarrass yourself with your ignorance. What would embarrass me, and make me feel ignorant would be to go on a rant, and make threats to someone, because I mistakenly thought a post was directed at me...... But obviously wasn't. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 10, 2013 17:55:11 GMT -8
"Does that mean EVERYBODY can carry a gun, ANY gun , ANY time, ANY where?" Did I say that? WELL? Why don't you ANSWER the question with something besides ANOTHER question?? Every goddamned time anybody mentions ANY restrictions, that's all I hear is the Second Amendment. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION FOR A CHANGE. What restrictions SHOULD there be? You act as if NONE should be in place. You and yours bitch, bitch, bitch every damned time a DISCUSSION is held after the latest MASSACRE takes place. Apparently, You CLAIM that the Founding Fathers didn't intend ANY restrictions. Yet, the fact is that laws restricting the handling of guns have ALWAYS existed. SO WHICH IS IT? |
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 10, 2013 17:57:03 GMT -8
Your people..... African Ameicans who's ancestors were brought here during the Atlantic slave trade. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that... My bad. And as for "or else, what'? OR THIS: You'll embarrass yourself with your ignorance. What would embarrass me, and make me feel ignorant would be to go on a rant, and make threats to someone, because I mistakenly thought a post was directed at me...... But obviously wasn't. "But you probably didn't think of that because they're not constantly whining about it, rubbing peoples noses in it, and trying to milk it for all it's worth like some other people do." Who are YOU to tell ME who MY people are? ? Haven't you REALIZED that the only difference between my ancestors and the ancestors of Africans who didn't get kidnapped and sent C.O.D. to the New World is who could run the FASTEST??? The Atlantic slave trade was born out of the slave trade that had been in place for more than a thousand years, Tankcommander. "Slavery in Africa has not only existed throughout the continent for many centuries, but continues in the current day. Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of the continent, as they were in much of the ancient world. In most African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and were given certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world.[1][2][3] When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems changed and began supplying captives for slave markets outside of Africa." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_AfricaWhat SHOULD embarrass you is not knowing what the hell you are TALKING about, and delivering a not-so-subtle insult based on what you DON'T know instead of what little you DO. "But you probably didn't think of that because they're not constantly whining about it, rubbing peoples noses in it, and trying to milk it for all it's worth like some other people do." You called the shot. |
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 10, 2013 18:25:30 GMT -8
"Why don't you ANSWER the question with something besides ANOTHER question?? Every goddamned time anybody mentions ANY restrictions, that's all I hear is the Second Amendment. '
I've answered yours. There are already HUNDREDS of restrictions.
You haven't answered mine.
I'll wait.
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 10, 2013 18:35:45 GMT -8
"Why don't you ANSWER the question with something besides ANOTHER question?? Every goddamned time anybody mentions ANY restrictions, that's all I hear is the Second Amendment. ' I've answered yours. There are already HUNDREDS of restrictions. You haven't answered mine. WHAT RESTRICTIONS SHOULD THERE BE, IF ANY?I'll wait. You mean, THIS question?
"What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?"I answered that. or "Does that mean EVERYBODY can carry a gun, ANY gun , ANY time, ANY where?" Did I say that?" What DID you say? What SHOULD we do in terms of gun control?That's the question, STRAIGHT UP. What's the answer?
And for God's sake, let's hear a STRAIGHT answer for a change. |
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 10, 2013 19:25:27 GMT -8
"What SHOULD we do in terms of gun control?"
We already HAVE gun control.
Apparently that fact has escaped you.
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Post by tankcommander on Dec 10, 2013 19:37:08 GMT -8
"But you probably didn't think of that because they're not constantly whining about it, rubbing peoples noses in it, and trying to milk it for all it's worth like some other people do." Are "you" Sailor? As to the whining, your misdirection of this thread from guns to slavery, and Jim Crow, based on a benign statement that free men, not slaves own guns is a perfect example. You want to talk about ignorance..... Not to mention arrogance? I'd say that you telling everyone here that "NONE of you has any idea what a "slave" is. None of YOU are."
Is like saying that no one here has any idea what an airplane is, unless they've been a pilot. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 10, 2013 19:51:19 GMT -8
"What SHOULD we do in terms of gun control?" We already HAVE gun control. Apparently that fact has escaped you. Apparently you don't want to have a serious conversation, 101. That fact has not escaped me. I asked you a straightforward question about what we should do. You say that we have gun control. Do we? Really?Are you honestly saying that the number of gun homicides we have is to be expected? The number of Newtowns, Aurora theaters, Virginia Techs, etc., is to be expected?
Or is this your way of saying that any and all gun control is a failure, and the only way Americans are ever going to be safe is to allow every man, woman and child to carry a gun, everywhere they go, day or night?
What ARE you trying to say, 101? |
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 10, 2013 19:54:30 GMT -8
I said we already have gun control.
How much more do you want?
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 10, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -8
"But you probably didn't think of that because they're not constantly whining about it, rubbing peoples noses in it, and trying to milk it for all it's worth like some other people do." Are "you" Sailor? As to the whining, your misdirection of this thread from guns to slavery, and Jim Crow, based on a benign statement that free men, not slaves own guns is a perfect example. You wouldn't know a "benign" statement if it presented you with a long form birth certificate. You want to talk about ignorance..... Not to mention arrogance? I'd say that you telling everyone here that "NONE of you has any idea what a "slave" is. None of YOU are."
Is like saying that no one here has any idea what an airplane is, unless they've been a pilot. Yeah, I imagine you would. I'd expect about that much from you. |
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Post by tankcommander on Dec 10, 2013 21:04:37 GMT -8
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Post by Sailor on Dec 11, 2013 3:52:10 GMT -8
With the exception of people who have escaped from 3rd world or Islamic hellholes where it is still practiced no one in this country has "any idea" what it means to be a slave. I would add to that the Jews who survived the Nazi slave labor death camps. Point. True. Along that line I see no reason why I should have "feelings of guilt" over what was done by previous generations of people I have no relationship to in either case or why I would "owe" something to them. |
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Post by prospero on Dec 11, 2013 11:35:40 GMT -8
The issue of gun control designed to stop massacres is one of those things that cannot be accomplished without to a great degree disarming the populace.
Still, the driving force behind such incidents as the Sandy Hook shootings has less to do with guns than it does with the media hype surrounding such incidents.
The perpetrators of such incidents are driven by the manual handed them by the persistent media descriptors and often misguided speculation.
As in the Navy Yard incident the media instantly reported that the Perp was armed with an assault rifle when he in fact was not. When it became apparent that he had no access to such a weapon they made sure to point out that he'd fired one at a rifle range a couple of days earlier. As if just touch the thing had driven him to commit murder.
As for background checks, they are only good for the moment in that they cannot address the potential that people can go off the deep end when they have had a history of being for the most part normal and stable.
While Mass shooting are headline grabbers and tragic the fact is, that at the current rate of such incidents in the U.S. at public venues with high human densities it would take over twenty-five thousand years(five times the period of recorded history) for every such venue to be hit by a similar attack.
The majority of firearms related deaths in the U.S. are crime and suicide related rather than driven by anti social rage.
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 12, 2013 21:35:27 GMT -8
So how much more gun control do you want?
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