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Post by tankcommander on Feb 12, 2014 16:11:22 GMT -8
Documents from an Ohio National Guard (ONG) training drill conducted last January reveal the details of a mock disaster where Second Amendment supporters with “anti-government” opinions were portrayed as domestic terrorists. The ONG 52nd Civil Support Team training scenario involved a plot from local school district employees to use biological weapons in order to advance their beliefs about “protecting Gun Rights and Second Amendment rights.” Portsmouth Fire Chief Bill Raison told NBC 3 WSAZ-TV in Huntington, West Virginia that the drill accurately represented “the reality of the world we live in,” adding that such training “helps us all be prepared.” mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-envisions-right-wing-terrorismAmerica in the age of Obama  |
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Post by Sailor on Feb 16, 2014 7:24:05 GMT -8
America in the age of Obama Not only in the "age of Obama" TC. Remember the outrages and federal law enforcement overreach that were committed on Bubba Clinton's watch? Some will claim that it was the fault of the Branch Davidians that so many died there while I contend that those kids are dead because Federal law enforcement over reacted using a very high concentration of CS gas and armored vehicles. Ruby Ridge, a son shot in the back, a wife and mother killed by a sniper in a doorway who was armed with a baby (very dangerous weapon,) and another man shot and killed ... all because of a complaint about a sawed off shotgun. A kid in Florida "rescued" from family members (remember the photo of the masked cop sticking his assault rifle in the kid's face?) who was then shipped back to Cuba in defiance of the Federal "feet dry" rule and in defiance of the wishes of young Gonzales' Florida family members. I'm certain there are also instances of overreach by the administrations of both Bushes and Reagan that will be pulled out as a counterpoint. So be it. Frankly, I am sick and tired of being considered an enemy of the country, a potential terrorist and criminal simply because I am conservative / libertarian in my views and consider myself in line with much of what the Tea Party espouses. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Feb 16, 2014 7:42:10 GMT -8
America in the age of Obama Not only in the "age of Obama" TC. Remember the outrages and federal law enforcement overreach that were committed on Bubba Clinton's watch? Some will claim that it was the fault of the Branch Davidians that so many died there while I contend that those kids are dead because Federal law enforcement over reacted using a very high concentration of CS gas and armored vehicles. Ruby Ridge, a son shot in the back, a wife and mother killed by a sniper in a doorway who was armed with a baby (very dangerous weapon,) and another man shot and killed ... all because of a complaint about a sawed off shotgun. A kid in Florida "rescued" from family members (remember the photo of the masked cop sticking his assault rifle in the kid's face?) who was then shipped back to Cuba in defiance of the Federal "feet dry" rule and in defiance of the wishes of young Gonzales' Florida family members. I'm certain there are also instances of overreach by the administrations of both Bushes and Reagan that will be pulled out as a counterpoint. So be it. Frankly, I am sick and tired of being considered an enemy of the country, a potential terrorist and criminal simply because I am conservative / libertarian in my views and consider myself in line with much of what the Tea Party espouses.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of being considered an enemy of the country, a potential terrorist and criminal simply becuase I am a moderate liberal in my views and consider my self in line with much of what moderate liberals espouse. |
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Post by Sailor on Feb 16, 2014 9:34:14 GMT -8
Lyndon ("they (Pentagon) can't bomb an outhouse in Vietnam without I okay it") Johnson. I have family still living in a wheelchair because of that S.O.B. I STILL remember.
Let's not forget that THIS administration through its Homeland Security considers VETERANS as a class to be terror risks regardless of political affiliation.
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Post by warrior1972 on Feb 16, 2014 11:25:23 GMT -8
Lyndon ("they (Pentagon) can't bomb an outhouse in Vietnam without I okay it") Johnson. I have family still living in a wheelchair because of that S.O.B. I STILL remember. Let's not forget that THIS administration through its Homeland Security considers VETERANS as a class to be terror risks regardless of political affiliation. It's a little more complicated than that. Veterans are always the most dangerous potential reserve of people from which any armed insurrection's manpower can be drawn. You can go all the way back to the Civil War, and you'll find that almost ALL of the officers and men who were in a position of power in either the Union or the Confederate Army or Navy were veterans of the Mexican War. They knew how to handle themselves in a combat situation.
That made them dangerous.
And for this Administration not to recognize that the majority of military veterans these days are at the very least both conservative and republican would be downright naive.
Moreover, who makes up the majority of independent militias, with members who have military and/or combat experience and are organized into privately owned and operated paramilitary units with various miscellaneous right wing agendas?
Compared to these guys, the Black Panthers look like the Keystone Kops.
It would be just plain foolhardy not to recognize that fact. |
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Post by Sailor on Feb 16, 2014 16:06:22 GMT -8
It's a little more complicated than that.
Veterans are always the most dangerous potential reserve of people from which any armed insurrection's manpower can be drawn.
You can go all the way back to the Civil War, and you'll find that almost ALL of the officers and men who were in a position of power in either the Union or the Confederate Army or Navy were veterans of the Mexican War. They knew how to handle themselves in a combat situation.
That made them dangerous.
And for this Administration not to recognize that the majority of military veterans these days are at the very least both conservative and republican would be downright naive. Does "conservative and Republican" necessarily mean that these veterans as a group are potential terrorists and traitors? I think not. The majority of these "independent malitia" people are wannabes who think camis and a gun make them "soldiers." As an example I point to the Michigan Militia, who for the most part have no fucking idea what it really takes to be a soldier or what combat really is. I'm familiar with these types, I grew up with some of them, people our age who ducked the draft in the '70s when Vietnam as still a shooting concern but later decided that since they could hunt deer and bear they only needed surplus camis so they could call themselves a militia, and that was "cool" where being a REAL soldier was not. Some managed to grab headlines, dumbasses do that. But as far as a threat, well ... they are no better than Keystone Kops themselves, more a threat to themselves than to the nation. Again I have to ask, does being a veteran and conservative or Republican make one a terror threat or a likely traitor? Homeland Security seems to think so. I don't. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Feb 16, 2014 19:48:00 GMT -8
It's a little more complicated than that.
Veterans are always the most dangerous potential reserve of people from which any armed insurrection's manpower can be drawn.
You can go all the way back to the Civil War, and you'll find that almost ALL of the officers and men who were in a position of power in either the Union or the Confederate Army or Navy were veterans of the Mexican War. They knew how to handle themselves in a combat situation.
That made them dangerous.
And for this Administration not to recognize that the majority of military veterans these days are at the very least both conservative and republican would be downright naive. Does "conservative and Republican" necessarily mean that these veterans as a group are potential terrorists and traitors? I think not. Sailor, for the last few decades I've listened to conservatives make "liberal" an epithet that is in a class with what "Jew" was in Nazi Germany.
Doesn't feel very good to get a dose of the same medicine, does it? [/quote]The majority of these "independent malitia" people are wannabes who think camis and a gun make them "soldiers." As an example I point to the Michigan Militia, who for the most part have no fucking idea what it really takes to be a soldier or what combat really is. I'm familiar with these types, I grew up with some of them, people our age who ducked the draft in the '70s when Vietnam as still a shooting concern but later decided that since they could hunt deer and bear they only needed surplus camis so they could call themselves a militia, and that was "cool" where being a REAL soldier was not. Some managed to grab headlines, dumbasses do that. But as far as a threat, well ... they are no better than Keystone Kops themselves, more a threat to themselves than to the nation. ...And three New Black Panthers showed up at a voting booth with one stick, and conservatives ranted for years. Again I have to ask, does being a veteran and conservative or Republican make one a terror threat or a likely traitor? Homeland Security seems to think so. I don't. [/quote Being a veteran and a conservative doesn't make you a threat.
Being a veteran and a conservative with a paramilitary organization and an arsenal does make you a threat. (CNN) -- On the evening of March 19, Tom Clements, the director of Colorado's prison system, was shot and killed when he answered the door of his home near Colorado Springs. The slaying sparked a police chase that ended a few days later in Texas, with authorities finally killing the suspect, 28-year-old Evan Ebel, in a shootout. It was soon discovered that Ebel had been part of a violent white supremacist gang during the eight years he spent in Colorado prisons. Peter BergenClements was the latest victim of increasingly active violent right-wing extremists. While American politicians and the U.S. public continue to focus on the threat from jihadist extremists, there seems to be too little awareness that this domestic form of political violence is a growing problem at home. From 2002 to 2007, only nine right-wing extremists were indicted for their roles in politically motivated murders and other types of ideologically motivated violent assaults. But between 2008 and 2012, the number mushroomed to 53, according to data collected by the New America Foundation. (Click on chart on the left for the data.) Fifteen right-wing extremists were indicted in 2012 -- including six who were involved in a militia in Georgia that accumulated weapons, plotted attacks on the government and murdered a young U.S. Army soldier and his 17-year-old girlfriend, who they suspected were planning to rat out the group to authorities. Seven claimed membership in the anti-government Sovereign Citizens movement and allegedly murdered two policemen in Louisiana. And two had gone on a murderous rampage the previous year, killing four people before they were arrested in California, where they told police they were on their "way to Sacramento to kill more Jews." By comparison, in 2012, only six people who subscribed to al Qaeda's ideology were indicted on terrorism-related charges in the United States, confirming the trend of the past four years, which is a sharp decline in such cases that has been documented by the authors in previous pieces for CNN.com. It's about time that politicians who are quick to talk about the threat posed by al Qaeda began paying attention to the shifting nature of the threats. www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/opinion/bergen-right-wing-violence/ |
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