Question for the over 50 crowd

[toejam]

I have thought about this a great deal and my post in the "Strat reads a book" thread prompted me to post this question to 101, Tittus, and whoever else is in our age bracket.

I have read books like Monte Walsh, Little Big Man, and others, where the subject is the turn of a century and the end of a way of life - in the case of Monte Walsh, the end of the cowboy way of life, in Little Big Man, the end of the plains Indians.

Back in the mid 20th century, men were men and women were happy that they were. People were a lot more polite and you could get a ticket for changing lanes without using your turn signal.

Naturally, a vocal minority pushed and pushed for the elimination of our traditions, and you have crime in the schools, on our streets, illigitimacy, STD's, and taxes, taxes, taxes.

Nobody has any money anymore and they don't have to - they buy everything on credit. All the magnificent labor saving devices they said would come along in the 21st century saved us time only to end up having to do more work.

Now the same people who got us into this mess say the only way out is more of the same. It's insane.

Steve and I were writing in a running western on the original Computer Junkyard. He was a sort of a cowboy I guess and I was a mountain man, mainly because I had been a biker in my 20's and had heard someone compare us to the mountain men of the 1800's. It was a idea I became enamored with and to this day I have a custom made Hawken rifle above my fireplace.

Like the mountain men and the cowboys, I believe we have seen our day. From now on men will be sissified metrosexuals who think being queer for each other is normal and natural, women will bitchy and think that makes them liberated, and everybody will be rude and think that makes them intellectual.

And between them they will be educated to imbecility and not have the faintest idea of how to build a house, fix a carburetor, rebuild a lawn mower, or even change a tire. The very same people who bitch about class envy now will hire peons to do their dirty work.

Worst of all is that with punitive taxes and pseudointellectual snobbery the self made man will become extinct.

Gentlemen, I think it's all over for real men and real women, as the 21st century brings us ever closer to androgeny.

[americanpride]

So - where's that leave fellows like James and I?

[toejam]

americanpride said:

So - where's that leave fellows like James and I?

Good question. Back when I was your age there was a lot of pressure for us to conform. Increasingly, it's becoming illegal for you not to conform.

Pick up a book called "1984".

[americanpride]

Yep - I read that book. Very good read.

So - how can we reverse the current trends then?

[toejam]

americanpride said:

Yep - I read that book. Very good read.

So - how can we reverse the current trends then?

You have to do what the comlibs did to get here. You have to retake the university, the public schools, and the government. You have to reverse the brainwashing that goes on there. You have to run for office.

While the smart Republican types were starting their own businesses, going into the sciences, and generally contributing to the economy, the comlibs were getting themselves entrenched in bureaucracies, like the Ward Churchills and just about every crooked school board in the US.

You need to infiltrate the ACLU and the other left wing groups and take them over, like the left has the church.

[americanpride]

Well I am sure that is certainly easier said than done.

But I am tired of talk, talk, talk. We know our intentions. We need to act.

I still think this group needs to get together. Despite our differences, I think we can accomplish much if we so desire it. Greater things have been at stake, and greater differences present, and yet our forefathers triumphed.

[toejam]

americanpride said:

Well I am sure that is certainly easier said than done.

But I am tired of talk, talk, talk. We know our intentions. We need to act.

I still think this group needs to get together. Despite our differences, I think we can accomplish much if we so desire it. Greater things have been at stake, and greater differences present, and yet our forefathers triumphed.

Yes, it is easier said than done. Most things are. And it's going to take time. We didn't get this way in a week, and we are not going to get out of it in a week.

Our moral compass needs to be repaired. In a very real way, we are fighting internal terrorism, because the same hate speech that is taught in schools in the mideast about the USA is being taught in our public schools. Make no mistake about it - this left wing crap you hear is not "debate", "discussion", or "sharing". It's hate speech. Go to the religion board at THC if you don't believe me.

The anti-Christian hate speech there reminds me of the anti-Jewish rhetoric from pre WWII. I have heard it from old time Germans and Hitler campaigned on it.

Earlier this week Maxine Waters showed up at an anti war rally and told the street gangs to turn their hatred against Bush instead of each other.

These people are insane, Chris. They're running the country over the cliff. I never thought it would get this bad.

[americanpride]

Mike,

I am already convinced that the nature of our moral adversaries cannot be reversed, placated, nor reasoned with - and while I would like to entertain moderate notions of reformation, I am of the opinion they would only result in failure, and more harm being inflicted upon our Nation.

I have a recently created website up where myself and several friends of mine can post our ideas expressed in a number of essays. It's still under construction and I am waiting for the school year to start before I contribute anymore "works" to it. However, I would like you to contribute your thoughts if you find the time and the energy to put them to e-paper.

Any movement requires an intellectual foundation from which it can project abroad.

[toejam]

americanpride said:

Mike,

I am already convinced that the nature of our moral adversaries cannot be reversed, placated, nor reasoned with - and while I would like to entertain moderate notions of reformation, I am of the opinion they would only result in failure, and more harm being inflicted upon our Nation.

I have a recently created website up where myself and several friends of mine can post our ideas expressed in a number of essays. It's still under construction and I am waiting for the school year to start before I contribute anymore "works" to it. However, I would like you to contribute your thoughts if you find the time and the energy to put them to e-paper.

Any movement requires an intellectual foundation from which it can project abroad.

Quite so.

Of course you know that people dismiss me as being a right wing nutcase.

I used to be a moderate, too, until I found THC. In fact, I was pretty much apolitical, being a true Libertarian. Although I was active in local politics, I voted more on issues than ideology.

Then I found THC. I saw the hate from the left and there was no reasoning with them. Their attitude was "It's me or you, not both of us", so I said, "Very well, let it be so".

Since then every forum I have been on where the left is present is filled with the same hateful rhetoric. Like you, I am not interested in living with them anymore - I am interested in defeating them so thoroughly they never come back.

In order for the left to succeed, they have to divide people and then cater to the fragments of the groups that they themselves have fragmented in order to buy votes. In order to buy votes they have to take your money to do it.

They don't care about the good of the country. They don't care about your needs. They care about being in power so they can pull the strings. This blind hatred causes them to criticize their own team in a time of war.

It was my intention at one time to use their own words against them in a place like the Hubcap.

Maybe we can do that yet.

[MARIO]

You're right, Mike. I'm usually an optimist, but I'm afraid this country is headed down the gutter -- and fast.

I know this simply by being on a college campus a few days out of the week. We're finished.

[americanpride]

As you know, I agree entirely. And as you most certainly know, I too am dismissed as a "right wing nutcase".

But that is all apperances.

Our success depends on our practical applications of our ideas, and who finds it advantageous to associate with us. However, we can only begin with what resources we currently have at our disposal - and that is each other. The "right" - and I do not simply mean Republican party hacks; a party hack is a party hack - needs to organize and facilitate their ideas and capabilities.

We have to think bigger than THC - getting this group here together would be an excellent step in that direction.

[toejam]

mario said:

You're right, Mike. I'm usually an optimist, but I'm afraid this country is headed down the gutter -- and fast.

I know this simply by being on a college campus a few days out of the week. We're finished.

Wait a minute, Mario - you said you were running for office. What are you going to do when you get there?

[MARIO]

toejam said:

mario said:

You're right, Mike. I'm usually an optimist, but I'm afraid this country is headed down the gutter -- and fast.

I know this simply by being on a college campus a few days out of the week. We're finished.

Wait a minute, Mario - you said you were running for office. What are you going to do when you get there?

Mike, I said I had hoped to and would consider running for office. But as time goes by, my interest in serving decreases. First, I can expect to be trashed by the leftwing media. Don't need that. Secondly, speaking the truth these days just gets you into trouble. I don't need the stress. Hopefully I'll go into political consulting.

[ReformedLiberal]

"Steve and I were writing in a running western on the original Computer Junkyard. He was a sort of a cowboy I guess and I was a mountain man..."

Didn't somebody save that whole exercise? Maryann, maybe?


Sherrif BigRed

[dustdevil28]

I agree with most of what you have here Mike, but I'd comment on a few things.

Men are still men in certain parts of the country. Whenever you go to a small town church you see much of the same thing you'd seen 40 years ago.

If you go through the small towns in America, and the suburban areas of the cities you'll often find family values of respect for elders, boys being boys, men being men and so forth. The trouble comes from those that did not receive these foundations early in life. They were brought up to think they had been left in the gutter, so now they can only steal and it's not their fault. They were brought up thinking that drugs will expand your mind when it actually clouds one's judgement.

It's upsetting to see the country so devided today, but it must continue to happen until the conservatives have effectivly taken back this country from the fringe lunatic left.