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[Husky23]

Some things Husky believes,

I believe, government should stay the hell out of my life as much as possible - and if not we force them too.

I believe in restricting government - chain them tight, remain cynical and guarded as to its motives and desires.

I believe in reinstating the basics for the Federal government, and let the sovereign States have their constitutional authority back.

I believe, generally, in no free hand outs. Work and get paid - I do not care if you have to clean the side of the highways of trash. I have much more respect for an able person producing, anything - than those sitting and feeding of the tit of the government from any working bodies earnings.

I believe in the founding documents.

I believe in the idea of America.

I believe in a strong defensive/offensive military.

I believe that nations will act in their own best interests. Period. Whatever public face they portray.

I believe the majority of international organizations are corrupt and have taken on a life of their own - which is in "their" best interest.

I believe governments are inefficient, bureaucratic messes, which breed corruption - and take on a life of "their" own - for “their” best interests.

I believe taxation, as we have now is unconstitutional.

I believe in the sanctity of marriage as a bond and covenant between a man and a woman.

I believe I don't give a rat’s ass what you do in the privacy of your own home.

I believe in "civil unions", but it is up to each State. And if you move to a State that civil unions are unrecognized - then you possible should reconsider, or loose the legal status and protections that union, may, or may not provide.

I believe in conditional abortion - Abortion of convenience, emphatically - NO! Abortion due to; incest, rape, mother’s health, and other special circumstances - yes.

I believe in the Right to Bear Arms - I don't care how you interpret it - "militia" is every able bodied person of this country.

I believe in Right of Free Speech - but as soon as your "peaceful" demonstration begins to jeopardize private, or public, property or persons - you forfeit that right, and are unlawful, subject to appropriate punishment.

I believe the term separation of church and state has been twisted and convoluted from its actual intent, of --- This nation will not or ever establish a national religion. Nothing more, and nothing less. So, all the hype about politicians' denominations, school prayer, and 10 commandments on public property - is crap.

I believe in respect and conservation of the environment.

I believe that the resources of this planet are to be made use of.

I believe in free market and capitalism.

I believe capitalism enhances and motivates the human spirit to improve ones self and those around you.

I believe people should mind their own business and be thankful for what they have and not covet others belongings.

I believe Bill Gates should be able to do whatever legally he wishes with the money he has.

I believe that no matter what restrictive oppressive laws are enacted - if somebody desires something bad enough they will find a way.

I believe in empowering people for themselves and not making them wards of the State.

I believe in capital punishment - you take a life, you forfeit your own.

I believe in Euthanasia under special circumstances.

I believe in a right and wrong - sometimes it's just that easy.

I believe in moral and ethical behavior.

I believe Mr. Kerry committed a treasonous act.

I believe America is good, and terrorists are not misunderstood.

I believe socialism undermines the human spirit.

I believe if you make a threat, you had better be prepared to follow through with it.

I believe in the whole Bible “thingie”.

I believe sex is more than for pro-creation.

I believe I adore the female species - as confusing as they can be.

I believe in honor, trust, faith and stewardship.

I believe women are as capable as men, and maybe more so in unique areas.

I believe men are as capable as women, and maybe more so in unique areas.

I believe women are different than men – and I don’t have a problem recognizing that fact.

I believe men are different than women – and I don’t have a problem recognizing that fact.

I believe animals are here to be eaten and utilized as another natural resource.

I believe I like beef, squirrel, chipmunk, goat, camel, deer, dog, buffalo, bear, antelope...you get the idea.

I believe if you take an animal as a pet - you now become responsible for its care and well-being.

I believe the nature of "mankind" is inherently evil and cannot be changed without Christ, no matter how we try and deceive ourselves otherwise.

I believe some people will despise you - no matter what.

I believe the "family" is the basis for learning, mentoring, and discipline - not the government.

I believe with freedom comes individual responsibility and self discipline.

I believe those that wish the government to take over their responsibilities deserve what they get.

I believe people think the President has more power than the office actually does - regarding what, in reality, the Congress controls.

I believe kids should get out more and climb trees.

I believe I don’t have a problem holding the door open for a woman.

I believe I shouldn't have had to talk to my daughter about sexual reproduction at 10 years of age - but seeing how they are bombarded by it constantly - I decided it best we cover it.

I believe the United States has done more good in the world than harm.

I believe the United States should never relinquish any portion its national sovereignty to any international organization - EVER.

I believe the United States can act, if need be, independently, to real or posturing threats.

I believe in forgiveness.

I believe in holding people accountable for their actions – whether forgiven or not.

I believe people should respect their elders.

I believe it's none of your damn business how big my SUV is.

I believe everyone on this planet has been a hypocrite at one time or another.

I believe in practicing what you preach, as best as one can.

I believe that everyone should be treated equal - under the law.

I believe in equal opportunity -- based upon demonstrated ability and individual merit.

I believe many people put much too much faith and trust in the government.

I believe there are bad CEO's, bad companies, bad elected representatives, and bad people.

I believe there are good CEO's, good companies, good elected representatives, and good people.

I believe we as a people can coerce business faster and more effectively with our dollars than we can coerce the government.

I believe, I generally don't believe in unions - although there are special circumstances.

I believe that entertainers are, well...just that.

I believe some people are arrogant enough to think they know better than I how - I should live my life.

I believe in helping people - in so much as they desire.

I believe some people are in fact hopeless.

I believe I may be finished now.

Where are you wrong? (or me)

[stratagosv]

I agree almost completely with what you just said... except with kerry and maybe a couple other things, my question to YOU is how is Bush accomplishing these things for YOU? He lowers taxes, funds the military... doesn't give handouts... okay... what else?

[101ABN]

stratagosv said:

I agree almost completely with what you just said... except with kerry and maybe a couple other things, my question to YOU is how is Bush accomplishing these things for YOU? He lowers taxes, funds the military... doesn't give handouts... okay... what else?

What you may not understand is that not everyone who voted for Bush thinks he is the perfect President.

We do believe he was a better choice than a man who took the side of the Communist enemy over his own brothers in arms thirty-some years ago and hasn't changed his political position since.

Yes, he committed acts of treason whether or not you believe it.

Bush has made many mistakes. All presidents make them. None since FDR have had to deal with the difficulties Bush has faced. He's right to take the war to the enemy and Saddam was the enemy, like Zarquawi and BinLaden are the enemy, like the foreign jihadi's in Iraq are the enemy. Kill them there.

He's dead wrong on immigration but no one else had a viable plan for it either.

What ever else he is, he is the President and the Commander-in Chief, and is due the respect that goes with the office.

[jaber1]

101: When you are correct you are correct - although I take your comment re: Saddam [and hence Iraq] in the present context and not as at 2003.

In my view the Democrats should field Kerry again in 2008 just to make sure they lose again. They shoud leave the Reps to try to dig themselves out of the mess left behind by this "administration" and, when they simply dig themselves in deeper, the Democrats may well have a genuine 70% support level across the country in 2012.

However, for Mr/s American man-in-the-street, I still think that a new centrist party should be formed and if this can be done by next year, and possibly even tested in the House elections, they could have an excellent shot at Executive and both Houses in 2008.

[jaber1]

HUSKY: A good set of beliefs and I concur with 99% - essentially all except the 'Christ' assertion but I accept your right to hold your own belief in that regard.

I would ask, however, how you reconcile "I believe in respect and conservation of the environment." with "I believe animals are here to be eaten and utilized as another natural resource." and "I believe that the resources of this planet are to be made use of." without qualification?

I would read it that, being the moderate that you are, you are implying that the two 'resource utilisation' beliefs are moderated by the 'respect and conservation [i.e. saving and maintaining] of the environment.", i.e. that you believe in the judicious use of resources rather than flagrant exploitation and rapine that would lead to extinction of any flora and fauna.
Is that correct?

[dustdevil28]

jaber1 said:

101: When you are correct you are correct - although I take your comment re: Saddam [and hence Iraq] in the present context and not as at 2003.

In my view the Democrats should field Kerry again in 2008 just to make sure they lose again. They shoud leave the Reps to try to dig themselves out of the mess left behind by this "administration" and, when they simply dig themselves in deeper, the Democrats may well have a genuine 70% support level across the country in 2012.

However, for Mr/s American man-in-the-street, I still think that a new centrist party should be formed and if this can be done by next year, and possibly even tested in the House elections, they could have an excellent shot at Executive and both Houses in 2008.

J

I'm sure you know that Kerry won't be used again, and it's anyones guess right now who the candidates for 08 on either side would be (it's still 3 years away).

The Dems are afraid of the Republicans digging themselves out. Can you imagine a stable Iraq, drastically lower troop levels with no suicide attacks and dare I say, a dead OBL all during the Republican reign? The ever more fringe left won't allow for such thought.

[jaber1]

battleborn said:

jaber1 said:

101: When you are correct you are correct - although I take your comment re: Saddam [and hence Iraq] in the present context and not as at 2003.

In my view the Democrats should field Kerry again in 2008 just to make sure they lose again. They shoud leave the Reps to try to dig themselves out of the mess left behind by this "administration" and, when they simply dig themselves in deeper, the Democrats may well have a genuine 70% support level across the country in 2012.

However, for Mr/s American man-in-the-street, I still think that a new centrist party should be formed and if this can be done by next year, and possibly even tested in the House elections, they could have an excellent shot at Executive and both Houses in 2008.

J

I'm sure you know that Kerry won't be used again, and it's anyones guess right now who the candidates for 08 on either side would be (it's still 3 years away).

The Dems are afraid of the Republicans digging themselves out. Can you imagine a stable Iraq, drastically lower troop levels with no suicide attacks and dare I say, a dead OBL all during the Republican reign? The ever more fringe left won't allow for such thought.

Yes, BB, my imagination can extend that far - as can my hopes - but from what I hear from friends and colleagues in Baghdad [yesterday] I am afraid that that is all it can be at the moment - imagination and hope

[101ABN]

"In my view the Democrats should field Kerry again in 2008 just to make sure they lose again."



Hillary may have something to say about that.

[Husky23]

jaber1 said:

HUSKY: A good set of beliefs and I concur with 99% - essentially all except the 'Christ' assertion but I accept your right to hold your own belief in that regard.

I would ask, however, how you reconcile "I believe in respect and conservation of the environment." with "I believe animals are here to be eaten and utilized as another natural resource." and "I believe that the resources of this planet are to be made use of." without qualification?

I would read it that, being the moderate that you are, you are implying that the two 'resource utilisation' beliefs are moderated by the 'respect and conservation [i.e. saving and maintaining] of the environment.", i.e. that you believe in the judicious use of resources rather than flagrant exploitation and rapine that would lead to extinction of any flora and fauna.
Is that correct?

It’s Jerome, yes?

I think those principles are fairly well founded…thank you, Mom and Dad. As for my faith - let’s just say, the more I observe that man relies on man, and the more and more legislation/laws/regulations/edicts that are enacted to solidify mans moral supremacy, and the more I see it making more and more a mess of things. The more I appreciate my unwavering, unchanging good and holy principles of my God. See where I’m coming from here?

As far as my reconciliation of use and conservation of the environment – you have interpreted correctly sir. Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Use what you need; replace, cultivate, nurture and husband it for the future. I have no problem with drilling in Anwar, or other issues as such, as long as it is done responsibly. Again, it is my understanding that my God created ALL of this fantastic beauty for us to unitize, care for, and be amazed by his awesome ability. But, hell, that’s just me.

[Husky23]

stratagosv said:

I agree almost completely with what you just said... except with kerry and maybe a couple other things, my question to YOU is how is Bush accomplishing these things for YOU? He lowers taxes, funds the military... doesn't give handouts... okay... what else?

OK Strat.

If you noticed a single, or a few, outlying theme(s) of my bullet belief statements, what would you come away with?

One is, I don't rely, count on, nor expect much personally from any government - the city, state, and certainly not federal. Bush don't need to do ANYTHING for me except abide my his oath and uphold the Constitution. It is MY responsibility to make or waste MY life - I am accountable.

And the less the government interferes in MY life the better.

Dig?

[stratagosv]

admin said:

stratagosv said:

I agree almost completely with what you just said... except with kerry and maybe a couple other things, my question to YOU is how is Bush accomplishing these things for YOU? He lowers taxes, funds the military... doesn't give handouts... okay... what else?

What you may not understand is that not everyone who voted for Bush thinks he is the perfect President.

We do believe he was a better choice than a man who took the side of the Communist enemy over his own brothers in arms thirty-some years ago and hasn't changed his political position since.

Yes, he committed acts of treason whether or not you believe it.

Bush has made many mistakes. All presidents make them. None since FDR have had to deal with the difficulties Bush has faced. He's right to take the war to the enemy and Saddam was the enemy, like Zarquawi and BinLaden are the enemy, like the foreign jihadi's in Iraq are the enemy. Kill them there.

He's dead wrong on immigration but no one else had a viable plan for it either.

What ever else he is, he is the President and the Commander-in Chief, and is due the respect that goes with the office.





You keep forgetting, kerry saved a mans life, and volunteered to go to nam, but that's besides the point. I'll tell you what gets on my nerves: Hypocracy, the right went after clinton like a madman, do you remember? The PRESS went after clinton too. What gets on my nerves MOSTLY about bush is his strategy rips this country apart, there is GOOD LOGICAL decent about the war in iraq but he doesn't give the other side the respect, instead he focuses on the radical left, and pretty soon everyone thinks everyone else is crazy, a commie, a facist etc. He's supposed to be EVERYONES president, whether they voted for him or not, and he just isn't, he just doesn't care about decention. Bush DOES make mistakes, how many has he apologized for? Or even admitted? He keeps repeating rhetoric over and over from speech to speech like we're all a bunch of retards.



One more thing... we can't "bring the fight to them" since their is no "them" this isn't a country, it's a global conflict, an ideology, a way of thinking, a belief, not a people, not a place, not something we can destroy with bullets. "them" is a ghost that travels throughout the globe, irraspective of race, country, age, only religion binds terrorists. We attack iraq, but somewhere we've got a cell planning the next attack, and the war in Iraq didn't negatively effect them one bit.



His team is very good at character assasination, and they know if they repeat what they want people to believe, over and over and over... it will always work, and that REALLY pisses me off.

[jaber1]

husky23 said:

jaber1 said:

HUSKY: A good set of beliefs and I concur with 99% - essentially all except the 'Christ' assertion but I accept your right to hold your own belief in that regard.

I would ask, however, how you reconcile "I believe in respect and conservation of the environment." with "I believe animals are here to be eaten and utilized as another natural resource." and "I believe that the resources of this planet are to be made use of." without qualification?

I would read it that, being the moderate that you are, you are implying that the two 'resource utilisation' beliefs are moderated by the 'respect and conservation [i.e. saving and maintaining] of the environment.", i.e. that you believe in the judicious use of resources rather than flagrant exploitation and rapine that would lead to extinction of any flora and fauna.
Is that correct?

It’s Jerome, yes?

I think those principles are fairly well founded…thank you, Mom and Dad. As for my faith - let’s just say, the more I observe that man relies on man, and the more and more legislation/laws/regulations/edicts that are enacted to solidify mans moral supremacy, and the more I see it making more and more a mess of things. The more I appreciate my unwavering, unchanging good and holy principles of my God. See where I’m coming from here?

As far as my reconciliation of use and conservation of the environment – you have interpreted correctly sir. Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Use what you need; replace, cultivate, nurture and husband it for the future. I have no problem with drilling in Anwar, or other issues as such, as long as it is done responsibly. Again, it is my understanding that my God created ALL of this fantastic beauty for us to unitize, care for, and be amazed by his awesome ability. But, hell, that’s just me.

Yes, I see very much where you are coming from and your acknowledgement that it is from God that all blessings flow in this life coincides exactly with my thoughts, feelings and belief - with a little positive thinking from yours truly in my case, after all "God helps those who help themselves".

We may differ only in our view of the route to Him. Mine is a direct call - no Pope, Imam, Rabbi, other messenger [Christ, Mohammed, Moses, Abraham] or telephone exchange required, thank you. Just heart-to-heart.

[jaber1]

stratagosv said:

I'll tell you what gets on my nerves: Hypocr[is]y, the right went after clinton like a madman, do you remember? The PRESS went after clinton too. What gets on my nerves MOSTLY about bush is his strategy rips this country apart, there is GOOD LOGICAL decent [sic: DISSENT] about the war in iraq but he doesn't give the other side the respect, instead he focuses on the radical left, and pretty soon everyone thinks everyone else is crazy, a commie, a fa[s]cist etc. He's supposed to be EVERYONES president, whether they voted for him or not, and he just isn't, he just doesn't care about decention [sic: DISSENTION]. Bush DOES make mistakes, how many has he apologized for? Or even admitted? He keeps repeating rhetoric over and over from speech to speech like we're all a bunch of retards.

One more thing... we can't "bring the fight to them" since their is no "them" this isn't a country, it's a global conflict, an ideology, a way of thinking, a belief, not a people, not a place, not something we can destroy with bullets. "them" is a ghost that travels throughout the globe, irr[e]spective of race, country, age, only religion binds terrorists. We attack iraq, but somewhere we've got a cell planning the next attack, and the war in Iraq didn't negatively effect them one bit.

His team is very good at character assasination, and they know if they repeat what they want people to believe, over and over and over... it will always work, and that REALLY pisses me off.

Strat, I made a few small tweaks above for when you use the words next time.

I agree with your feelings and views [except one] even though I am not American. Perhaps not being one allows me to stand back far enough to realise that HE is the retard - not me; that his words are really from those who train him like a dog-and-pony show and [thanks to technology] are always on hand to whisper into his earpiece when he bumbles and stumbles.

I don't agree wholly with your characterisation of "only religion binds terrorists".
While religious fervour has certainly fuelled most forms of terrorism throughout history [and to many it may seem to be the sole reason behind Al-Qaeda and the present 'insurgency' in Iraq and bombings in London], there have been many secular-based forms as well, including communism, anarchism and simple bigotry based on race, sex and nationality.
Some of the longest running forms have been family feuds or vendettas based upon some perceived slight experienced decades if not centuries ago.
Some of the worst have been politically inspired [McCarthyism] and economic [gangsterism: Al Capone et al during Prohibition].

Regarding the Rove machine, bear in mind that if you allow "their" injustices to become all-consuming then they win. I find it therapeutic to stand well back from time to time and to ponder how to change the future. Commonly that comes to one simple thing - raise enough support to vote the bastards out of power.
If you find that to be too hollow a victory, then stand up and be counted - run for office yourself.

[101ABN]

"You keep forgetting, kerry saved a mans life, and volunteered to go to nam, but that's besides the point."

Please don't lecture me about Kerry and Vietnam. I knew about Kerry and his treasonous actions before you were born. I remember the the day the lying sonofabitch testified in Congress and his "Winter Soldier" scam that slandered a generation of America's finest. A cursory read of "Tour of Duty" should set off the bullshit alarm of any for-real vet. Benedict Arnold had been a hero too, before he sold out his compatriots. Kerry's a power whore, nothing more.

Frankly, I was appalled at the viciousness of the attacks on Clinton. Many were unjustified but others were on the mark. I disagree that the press went after him.

"What gets on my nerves MOSTLY about bush is his strategy rips this country apart, there is GOOD LOGICAL decent about the war in iraq but he doesn't give the other side the respect, instead he focuses on the radical left, and pretty soon everyone thinks everyone else is crazy, a commie, a facist etc. "

Open your eyes, Strat. Bush has repeatedly acknowledged the right of people, Sheehan et al , to protest.

It isn't Bush doing the dividing. It's the assholes from ANSWER, UPJ, Code Pink, MoveOn, and others including, yes, the DNC, who are creating and supporting the division.

Ask yourself "Who benefits?" Do you think Bush gains anything from the division? OF course not. Ask it again. "Who benefits from the division?"

What "mistakes" do you want him to apologize for?

If he's not "everyones" president look to the people who forcefeed you bullshit like "appointed not elected," you know, the people in the groups I just mentioned.

You think he's not concerned about dissent?

What would convince you otherwise? That he cave in to it? You want a weak-keed leader that goes where the wind blows? You want polls, studies and focus groups?

"One more thing... we can't "bring the fight to them" since their is no "them" this isn't a country, it's a global conflict, an ideology, a way of thinking, a belief, not a people, not a place, not something we can destroy with bullets. "

There is a grain of truth in this. But "they" have an enemy. It's democracy, with it's attendant opportunity and freedom of thought. The bullets and bombs are a means to an end to bring that about. You do have to kill the bad guys sometimes, if you dont want them to kill you.

[stratagosv]

Open your eyes, Strat. Bush has repeatedly acknowledged the right of people, Sheehan et al , to protest.


That's not what I meant. I'm not saying he is clamping down on decention, what he is doing is ignoring the majority and focusing on the wackos in order to portray the other side as "all crazy" a way of thinking that is popular on THC


What do I want him to apologize for? Being in the pocket of big business, using clever techniques like the "clean air act" naming shit the complete OPPOSITE of what it actually does. I want him NOT to praise people who screwed up on 9/11, I want him to FIRE them. What do YOU want him to apologize to?


If he's not "everyones" president look to the people who forcefeed you bullshit like "appointed not elected," you know, the people in the groups I just mentioned.



I know about those people, but guess what? He is the president of the US. Not just those who voted for him. I hold Bush higher in responsability than those people.


What bush needs to do is address the decent and tell the ADULTS, treat them like ADULTS, he needs to put all the cards on the table. Explain the situation without using one liners and talking points.



Lastly, yes I'm happy every time we kill a terrorist, but if you or anyone thinks that war is the way to defeat terrorism you are greatly mistaken.