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Post by dustdevil28 on Feb 13, 2006 17:02:41 GMT -8
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Post by LorSpi on Feb 13, 2006 20:42:26 GMT -8
And so they're pissed.
The USG position - UN representatives do no visit other prisons and so have no reason whatsoever to visit Gitmo.
Let them start in Havana they want to visit Cuba so bad.
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Post by bounce on Feb 14, 2006 5:22:06 GMT -8
I have been talking with an Arab on another web site.
They are filled with anti-American rants and have nothing but disdain for the US.
They hurl one accusation after another, but when you get down to it, none of what they say is actually true. Moreover, when I prove definitively that they're wrong, they simply change the subject and move on to yet another baseless anti-US attack.
If the US has an image problem, it's due to world ignorance (or idiocy).
I am through giving a shit!
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Post by bounce on Feb 14, 2006 5:46:08 GMT -8
This is pretty funny... Here the terrorists are trying to torture themselves (with starvation). We are stopping that torture (by force feeding them) and now WE are guilty of torture because the detainees' lawyers say so??? This is the kind of laughably absurd bullshit I have lost all "give a fuck" about. |
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Post by LorSpi on Feb 14, 2006 6:35:06 GMT -8
I have been talking with an Arab on another web site. They are filled with anti-American rants and have nothing but disdain for the US. They hurl one accusation after another, but when you get down to it, none of what they say is actually true. Moreover, when I prove definitively that they're wrong, they simply change the subject and move on to yet another baseless anti-US attack. If the US has an image problem, it's due to world ignorance (or idiocy). I am through giving a shit! Here's the scary part for me anyway. Lots of really nice Arabs and Muslims - reasoned, tolerant, all round good guys. They will be killed if they speak up against the terror and violence. So they don't. They aren't the only ones. Overseas Chinese are the same way. They say the hate the communists but they will spy for the Communist government, send billions back every year - yet if you notice with the Google story, it is overseas Chinese slamming the hardest. The lot of them are cowards. Arabs believe that they only way they will get anything is through violence. Every time they are allowed one fucking centimeter instead of being body slammed into the mat, they will see it as a victory. Hell - they see being body slammed as a victory because that means you paid attention to them. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 14, 2006 6:43:34 GMT -8
I have been talking with an Arab on another web site. They are filled with anti-American rants and have nothing but disdain for the US. They hurl one accusation after another, but when you get down to it, none of what they say is actually true. Moreover, when I prove definitively that they're wrong, they simply change the subject and move on to yet another baseless anti-US attack. If the US has an image problem, it's due to world ignorance (or idiocy). I am through giving a shit! Here's the scary part for me anyway. Lots of really nice Arabs and Muslims - reasoned, tolerant, all round good guys. They will be killed if they speak up against the terror and violence. So they don't. They aren't the only ones. Overseas Chinese are the same way. They say the hate the communists but they will spy for the Communist government, send billions back every year - yet if you notice with the Google story, it is overseas Chinese slamming the hardest. The lot of them are cowards. Arabs believe that they only way they will get anything is through violence. Every time they are allowed one fucking centimeter instead of being body slammed into the mat, they will see it as a victory. Hell - they see being body slammed as a victory because that means you paid attention to them. I wish I could think of a way to kill a bad idea without killing the person who holds it. The bottom line is that the world is NOT going back to the sixth century. The big question is: What's it going to take to get that point across to THEM? I see the Rodney King style of thought "Can't we all just get along" as a very dangerous thing. For this to be settled once and for all, one side has to be allowed to win unconditionally - which necessarily means the other has to be allowed to be obliterated. Right now, world opinion won't allow that. It's this kind of mentality that keeps people dying for hundreds of years. |
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Post by LorSpi on Feb 14, 2006 7:38:42 GMT -8
If the US can shut it down - then there will be a useful approach. I personally see this as an opportunity. Muslim leaders fear these extremist by and large (when they aren't funding them to be sure) and this has always been their excuse to stop modernity from entering their countries. If the US can cause either a real rejection of violence by Hamas - or its removal from power through legal methods, then there is a real; possibility of change.
Personally, I cannot see Hamas giving up power through elections.
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Post by MrDoublel on Feb 14, 2006 17:35:30 GMT -8
One of, if not THE, biggest problems with Islam is the lack of acceptance of responsibility. Everything is Allahs will. Period. The ultimate cop out. The fact that Damascus stopped being the cultural center of the world centuries ago, the fact that the western (insert europe/America) world is now the cultural/scientific/economic center of the world is anathema to hard core muslems. Everything, repeat, EVERYTHING is someone elses fault. Period.
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Post by bounce on Feb 15, 2006 4:59:42 GMT -8
SFC, you are exactly right. I spent a year or so in Turkey (which is mild as Islam goes). They have a saying (maybe you know the exact wording - I've forgotten it), but the loose translation is: "If it be God's will," or "By God's will."
They say that shit at the end of almost every sentence.
Basically, they're saying, Hey, I'm not responsible. If God wants it done, it'll get done. If not, it won't.
It's one reason I am more than a little surprised that the whacko terrorists are able to put up any kind of organized threat.
They have done damn near nothing in the past 1500 years.
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Post by Sailor on Feb 15, 2006 17:15:22 GMT -8
"They have a saying (maybe you know the exact wording - I've forgotten it), but the loose translation is: "If it be God's will," or "By God's will."
"They say that shit at the end of almost every sentence."
I think it's pronounced "InchAllah" (or something close) for "God willing." Lor probably understands this better than I.
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Post by tits on Feb 15, 2006 19:33:23 GMT -8
One of, if not THE, biggest problems with Islam is the lack of acceptance of responsibility. Everything is Allahs will. Period. The ultimate cop out. The fact that Damascus stopped being the cultural center of the world centuries ago, the fact that the western (insert Europe/America) world is now the cultural/scientific/economic center of the world is anathema to hard core Muslims. Everything, repeat, EVERYTHING is someone elses fault. Period. Last month Discovery Times Channel did a piece on the mindset of the suicide bomber. The piece included interviews from a former CIA officer from the ME. Basically, Iran was initially behind the training and indoctrination of the extremist that became Al'Qaeda and suicide bombers. All of the suicide bombers are memorialized in a Holocaust Museum type facility. Every bomber's photograph and their statements of faith is displayed in a Mosque of the Martyrs. The frightening aspect was that fundamentalist from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, and the Chechens are preached to that this is the highest statement of faith. When asked, Iran's Minister of Defense Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani calmly looked at the camera and replied: "we have 70 million martyrs willing to kill when American and their Jewish dogs invade." First, are you seeing this attitude in Afganistan? My son's friend Brice who was in the Tora Bora action and following, said that we should just nuc the entire region. Lor, what are they saying in the intel community about the mindset of those who practice the Islamic version of Doctor Joseph Goebbles of propaganda? It appears that so many of those people are willing to believe what they hear rather than to seek the truth. And just like the educated German peoples in the 1930s, they are willing to follow the propaganda. Are we drawing closer to a global Jihad against Christians and Jews? If that is the case, with the fractions that keep America separate put down their ideologies and confront the threat? |
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Post by AmericanPride on Feb 15, 2006 21:19:41 GMT -8
If the world wars illustrated to humanity any lessons, it is that only the absolute annihilation of the enemy will produce a lasting peace. An enduring victory can only be accomplished through the unconditional destruction of the enemy in all faculties and capacities. Escalating violence, denial, negeotiations, and compromise will only prolong misery and suffering.
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Post by MrDoublel on Feb 16, 2006 10:02:53 GMT -8
From my contact with local Afghans, though somewhat limited, they felt the same way we do about suicide bombers. That it's incomprehensible to wantonly kill oneself and innocent civilians like that. I might add that one of the men I spoke with about this was also very curious about christianity. And none of them are exceptionally devote muslims either.
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Post by 101ABN on Feb 16, 2006 21:07:37 GMT -8
"If the world wars illustrated to humanity any lessons, it is that only the absolute annihilation of the enemy will produce a lasting peace. An enduring victory can only be accomplished through the unconditional destruction of the enemy in all faculties and capacities. Escalating violence, denial, negeotiations, and compromise will only prolong misery and suffering. "
This is absolutely tragic...and absolutely true.
Sherman said it best. "We cannot change the hearts of these people...We can make war on them so terrible and the experience of it so harsh, that generations will pass before they again appeal to it."
We have only fought by that principle against four enemies. (The Confederacy, Native America, Germany and Japan in WWII).
All were victories that led to lasting peace.
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Post by bounce on Feb 19, 2006 8:21:56 GMT -8
If we start treating these sub-human pieces of shit like old General Blackjack Pershing is rumored to have done, it might help.
We have to tools we need to begin communicating with them. Why we don't use them is beyond me.
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