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Post by stratagosv on Mar 15, 2006 18:15:04 GMT -8
I've taken a few classes, read a couple books... in my class they made us go to a Mosque... when not living in collegetownUSA I live next to an islamic center and a mosque both within two blocks, I've only got two muslim friends.
The question "is islam a religion of peace?" it is what you make of it. If you make it a religion of hate, it is, and you'll find exerpts from the Quran to prove your point, and vis versa. Same with Christianity, Neo-Nazis make christianity a religion of hate and they use the bible like Muslims extremists use the Quran
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Post by AmericanPride on Mar 15, 2006 18:17:06 GMT -8
There is no question.
History supplies the answer.
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Post by tits on Mar 15, 2006 21:38:21 GMT -8
I have not taken any classes on Islam, rather I am self taught (very dangerous) and have read the Qur'an, Hadeth, and the Tenets. I belong to the Holy Qur'an and IslamiCity web sites. My readings and studies give anecdotal evidence that Islam is religion of intolerance. There are 8 verses that claim the Jew and the Christian are pagans. There are 3 verses that state that pagans are not to be permitted to influence the people and should be slain. The basic premise of the 1st Pillar, the profession of faith, is: "There is no god but God; Muhammad is the Messenger of God". THis basic statement gives foundation for intolerance of the other religions from the other children of Abraham. The Torah and Talmud as well as the Bible stand on the 1st Commandment (Statements in the Torah): "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. " This is further confused because Christ claimed in John 10:30 "The Father and I are one." With the three religions from "father" Abraham claiming the same truth "There is only one God"; two claiming to know God only through a specific messenge: it is no wonder why religion is filled with death in the name of peace. Qur'anic verses such as: Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things." and Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:113 The Jews say: "The christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. with: Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:14 From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. and Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. At-Tauba (The Repentance) 9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Ending in this statement of intolerance: At-Tauba (The Repentance) 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. I am a Christian and will die for Christ. But I must admit that in all three of these religions. The hand of peace is given to fellow believers and the hand is withdrawn by the Christian, the dagger is driven forward by the Muslim, and Jew stamps his foot and seeks that messiah who will lead them like David against the Philistines when confronting the "nonbeliever". What really angers me is this intolerance of those who deny our faith. Regardless of the religion and many agnostic/atheistic faiths based on humanism around the world, intolerance of the nonbeliever is often violent. It makes me sick that so many of the NeoLibs are so ignorant of the human psychology of faith that they believe only the Christian is intolerant. My studies of human sociology and psychology have led me to believe that the current humanist faith of " hamn rights" preached by the NeoLibs has become a religion. The human rights faith has credos, statements of faith, and actions of faith just like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Try to argue that with CRW or HistoryMinor.  |
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 15, 2006 22:35:24 GMT -8
Now AP you wouldn't want people judging christianity by history either.
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 15, 2006 22:56:16 GMT -8
Muslims believe that Muhammad is that last prophet of Allah, Jesus was a prophet like Muhammad (but muhammad being more important). Muhammad specifically says not to go against prior teachings of prophets (like Jesus).
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Post by tits on Mar 16, 2006 19:09:54 GMT -8
the Christian. Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Job, Lot (Lut), Solomon, and others are common "heroes" in Islam as well as the other two. The Qur'an and countless statements by Imam since 800 have sought to villainize the Christian.
Hey, a question: My study indicated that Mohammad was a disciple of the St. Agustus. Any truth to this?
There was a series 20 years ago on the BBC/PBS by Dr. Henry Burke entitle: "The Day the Universe Changed". Episode II dealt with this connection between Islam and Christianity. Medieval Conflict: Faith and Reason (#2). Europe overuns Moorish Spain, discovering libraries, universities, optics, mechanics, and natural philosophy, as well as table manners and dessert. The rediscovery of classical knowledge leads to the founding of universities and the overthrow of Augustinian by Aritstotelian beliefs.
However, the episode that zapped me right between the eyes was: Darwin's Revolution (#8). Reveals how Darwin's writings undermined the concept of an orderly, unchanging universe and with it the belief in the biblical theory of creation. Also considers how aspects of Darwinism were used to political and economic advantage to justify nazism, robber baron style capitalism, and communism. VERY POWERFUL STUFF!
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 18, 2006 5:10:00 GMT -8
Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Job, Lot, Solomon are not just "heroes" aside from them not believing Jesus to be god, instead a profit, the rest hold the same regard as in Christianity.
I have not heard that Mohammad was a disciple of the St. Agustus. Where did you find this?
The Documentary is correct about the unforseen negative effects of Darwin's theory.
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Post by CommonSense on Mar 18, 2006 5:53:49 GMT -8
Now AP you wouldn't want people judging christianity by history either. Ok then, how about current events? |
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 18, 2006 20:32:38 GMT -8
There are a billion muslims on earth CS, I'd say about 1% support and/or are jihadists. You don't know about the religion by watching news, you learn about the fanatics that make the paper.
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Post by MARIO on Mar 18, 2006 20:34:20 GMT -8
There are a billion muslims on earth CS, I'd say about 1% support and/or are jihadists. You don't know about the religion by watching news, you learn about the fanatics that make the paper. How about this: You don't know about Iraq by watching news, you learn about the fanatics and supposedly bad news that makes the paper. |
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 20, 2006 2:27:47 GMT -8
I agree with that. But that doesn't mean when I hear on the news that 60 people died in Iraq I look the other way.
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Post by MARIO on Mar 20, 2006 17:39:47 GMT -8
I agree with that. But that doesn't mean when I hear on the news that 60 people died in Iraq I look the other way. No, you look the other way when the news is good news. And I SAW Muslims rioting in the streets of Paris. It wasn't some conspiracy, Kevin. |
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 21, 2006 1:56:50 GMT -8
No, I don't look away to good news. I just don't fool myself into thinking because of some good news, that the bad news I hear is irrelevant.
You saw muslims rioting in the streets, it wasn't some conspiracy... well that's good! Some people actually DID think it was a conspiracy those muslims rioting in the streets and all... did you see the hundreds of muslims NOT rioting in the streets? Yeah, exactly.
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Post by MARIO on Mar 21, 2006 17:27:39 GMT -8
No, I don't look away to good news. I just don't fool myself into thinking because of some good news, that the bad news I hear is irrelevant. You saw muslims rioting in the streets, it wasn't some conspiracy... well that's good! Some people actually DID think it was a conspiracy those muslims rioting in the streets and all... did you see the hundreds of muslims NOT rioting in the streets? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well most liberals DO ignore the good news, as evidenced by the morons spreading their ignorance on THC. Well thank God not every Muslim in France rioted! They'd have a hell of a situation on their hands. The Frenchies would have to wave the white flag. |
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Post by stratagosv on Mar 24, 2006 21:29:46 GMT -8
Didn't you know? The french and the US are friends again, don't rock the boat. ;-)
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