ICE steps up deportion of criminals

[peterd]

We had good arguement about illegals. Liberals want them open and conservatives closed. My question to you all, how can we prottect ourselves. If we are fighting terorrism and this fight will continue even after we are all dead and gone, how can we secure our borders. Anybody has a suggestion?

[AmericanPride]

May 29, 2008 16:30:16 GMT -8 peterd said:

We had good arguement about illegals. Liberals want them open and conservatives closed. My question to you all, how can we prottect ourselves. If we are fighting terorrism and this fight will continue even after we are all dead and gone, how can we secure our borders. Anybody has a suggestion?

Explain the connection between our immigration policy (specifically in reference to the border with Mexico) and the threat of terrorism. The perpetrators of the last terrorist attack on US soil entered the country legally. So -- it appears, as far as terrorism is concerned, that the Mexico border is not a major issue.

[AmericanPride]

It isn't the job of the US to take every person who wants to come here,

It's not a job. It's a duty mandated by our principles and engraved in the Statue of Liberty. Now it's certainly the job of the government to "protect and serve its own citizens", but even this "job" is not more important than the principles of Natural Law which form the foundation of our system.

These consequences have nothing at all to do w/the system

They have everything to do with the system. Legal migrants, for example, are screened for diseases. This does not occur for illegal immigrants for obvious reasons. Had we a system able to effectively accommodate the demand of immigration, then no person (except those with criminal intent) would be compelled to avoid the system and the accountability it provides. As it is, regular people like you and me feel the necessity to avoid entering into our system, and therefore we lose institutional accountability. This has economic, political, cultural, health, and judicial consequences.

you don't blame a baker for the theif who stole his bread just because it's smelled good and he was hungry

But you would blame the baker for setting quotas on how much bread he would give, for leaving the door to his bakery managed by his half-retarded uncle, and consequently alienating those bread-seekers he would otherwise be law-abiding and normal people.

IT isn't about excluding people either, it's about absorbing what we can w/out disrupting the country or it's government.

I have yet to hear any credible argument about Mexican immigrants destroying the fabric of America.

We give more aid to the rest of the world than any other country, we raise more and give more in private charities as well.

First -- that has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Second -- the vast majority of our aid is political and conditional; i.e. "free market reforms" to open the recipient country to American business. That's not aid. That's politics.

They dont' even come close to the unpaid bills, nice try. Hospitals go bankrupt because people don't pay their bills, we live in a capitalist democracy, that way the country doesn't go bankrupt.

People do not pay medical bills because the cost of health care is driven to absurdly high heights by administrative overhead. And that problem exists because we have this strange idea as a so-called "Christian nation" that life is a commodity.

[101ABN]

I"t's not a job. It's a duty mandated by our principles and engraved in the Statue of Liberty"

BS! The statue of Liberty isn't the Constitution and poetry engraved upon it has no standing in law.

"But you would blame the baker for setting quotas on how much bread he would give, for leaving the door to his bakery managed by his half-retarded uncle, and consequently alienating those bread-seekers he would otherwise be law-abiding and normal people."

More BS!

Lawbreakers are lawbreakers. Stop blaming the victim for the actions of the criminal.

"I have yet to hear any credible argument about Mexican immigrants destroying the fabric of America."

Then you are impervious to credible argument. 10% of Mexico's populace is already here. How many should we be expected to absorb?

"People do not pay medical bills because the cost of health care is driven to absurdly high heights by administrative overhead. And that problem exists because we have this strange idea as a so-called "Christian nation" that life is a commodity. "

More BS! Why the hell should illegals pay for health care when they can get it for free. by walking on the bill?

[peterd]

AP, our immigration policies or lack of there of are directly associated with terrorism and other criminal activities. We should not forget those who get here illegally are not vacinated against major illnesses and they can spread them around. If we have better control of our borders then we can stop criminal and terrorist elements, we can stop gangs coming over, and we can stop people with dangerous illnesses. What is there not to understand. Just check what is going on in Mexico with drug cartel. That is a danger, because with an open border drugs and thugs get in. So seven or eight police chiefs apply for legal asylum in the US because their lives were threaten. Drug cartel has lot of power. Who do they employ, thugs, mercenaries, criminals, and terrorists. Many illegals bring with them drugs. Cheap way to get them into US. Not long ago Chinese made AK-47's were smuggled into the US. Thanks to the law enforcement they are of the street. My question is how many of them made it. Does this mean that one day manpad will on the street and used against civilian airliner. Impossible, no. If you check homeland security, FBI, OSI, etc web sites you would learn that radical muslims, many US converts, are living among us. You don't have believe me, but I would strongly encourage you to check web sites with facts not what the liberals are saying.