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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2007 18:13:41 GMT -8
"I did not state that Reagan's amnesty created or even contributed to "his" economic success. Rather, I implied that perhaps the amnesty program did not take away from it. "
Nonsense, you linked the two together.
Sorry, I don't have time for double-talk.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 23, 2007 18:30:13 GMT -8
"Three minutes thought would suffice to find that out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time."
A.E Houseman
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2007 19:01:58 GMT -8
"Three minutes thought would suffice to find that out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time."
A.E Houseman Speaking strictly for yourself, of course. |
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Post by AmericanPride on May 23, 2007 19:31:08 GMT -8
Yet you are the one apologizing for not having time? Interesting.
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2007 19:44:32 GMT -8
Check it out, Cadet.
I said I don't have time for doubletalk, which is what you posted.
My mistake was attempting civility.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 23, 2007 20:00:26 GMT -8
Are we to use formalities now, dear Administrator?
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2007 20:31:18 GMT -8
"Are we to use formalities now, dear Administrator? " Have it your way, Smartass. |
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Post by jfree on May 24, 2007 14:33:07 GMT -8
Just how many amnesties are enuf AP, to "fix" the problem and how long before people realize it has only encouraged more and more of them? We've already done it 6time and all we end up w/is millions more illegals, the only way to fix the problem is to actually enforce our nations laws, illiminate sanctuary cities and social service to illegals etc....
John W. Slagle
June 18, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
The first and only Amnesty has never really ended despite political proposals of another guest worker plan for an estimated 20 million in 2006 by the U.S. Senate. The continual influx of illegal aliens since 1986 is a known factor in Washington, D.C. with Law Enforcement never a factor in Congressional decisions, bills or amendments.
In 1994 Congress approved a temporary rolling Amnesty for 578,000 Illegal Aliens under Section 245 (i)
There was also a 1996 Citizenship USA program which required the Immigration Service to reduce the two year period of time for immigrant applications to six months in many areas of the United States. The taxpayer funded Citizenship USA was geared to provide new voters prior to the 1996 elections and was directed by Vice President Gore. The normal criminal background checks and fingerprints checks were not done or done in haste to meet the scheduled political goals. . 1.3 million immigrants benefited from the program including 80,000 new naturalized citizens that had criminal backgrounds found on fingerprint cards that were submitted. Politics and the Immigration Service are forever intermingled it seems and it doesn’t matter which party is in power.
In 1997, the Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act allowed one million people legal status. In 1998, the Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act was created which allowed additional legalization.
The late Amnesty Act of 2000 was rather remarkable in politics. This Act was an Amnesty for 400,000 illegal aliens residing in the U.S. who claimed they should have been granted Special Agricultural Worker status under the fraud filled 1986 IRCA. The Life Act Amnesty was the best example of political lack of common sense.
This Act, a re-instatement of Section 245 (i) allowed Amnesty for 900,000 illegal aliens who might have been qualified as Special Agricultural Workers in 1986 if they had presented documentation, I-705s prior to the deadline for admissions. Usually a deadline in a sensible society means "that's it" end game or close of business, no more applicants accepted at any Office. The U.S. Government has a very liberal immigration Policy and accepts more legal immigrants than any nation in the world with restrictions which is commendable. On illegal immigration issues, over stay visas, criminal sections of the law, elected officials have sought to reward law breakers for decades with no restrictions.
Amnesty has continued for over twenty years for Agricultural Workers, Guest Workers by Congressional authority and year after year, the American people are led to believe there is a “shortage of laborers” in the United States. The H1 B "needed foreign worker" Visa program has been in effect long before I patrolled the Rio Grande in 1972. Needed skills could be anything from an experienced sheep shepard, agricultural worker to technical fields in science. Sponsors were required to prevent fraudulent entries, overstays.
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Post by MARIO on May 24, 2007 19:38:36 GMT -8
If the "amnesty" program during Reagan's Presidency was such a failure, how is it that Reagan can be attributed with the economic successes that conservatives give him
Oh please. Amnesty had absolutely nothing to do with the economic success under Reagan.
Come on, Chris.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 28, 2007 13:09:44 GMT -8
Then you ought to also say that the adverse economic impacts of amnesty are insignificant.
"Illegals" are not created by so-called amnesty programs, nor encouraged. Rather, "illegals" in this country are created by an arbitrary quota system set signficantly lower than the demand to enter the country. The "surplus" of immigrants become "illegal". Illegal immigration, therefore, is an artificial problem and one created by our own policy. The "problem" can be erased practically overnight by abolishing the quota system and allowing unrestricted immigration. With a reorganization of local police powers, enforcement mechanisms can be quickly tuned to address the influx of "legal" immigrants.
Do you want to continue to enforce laws that are unjust and unsustainable? Do you want to continue a policy of exclusion and enmity? What sort of resentments and conflicts are formed by excluding whole classes of people? How do the consequences of these policies affect the National Interest?
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Post by MARIO on May 28, 2007 13:32:50 GMT -8
"Illegals" are not created by so-called amnesty programs, nor encouraged. Rather, "illegals" in this country are created by an arbitrary quota system set signficantly lower than the demand to enter the country. The "surplus" of immigrants become "illegal". Illegal immigration, therefore, is an artificial problem and one created by our own policy. The "problem" can be erased practically overnight by abolishing the quota system and allowing unrestricted immigration. With a reorganization of local police powers, enforcement mechanisms can be quickly tuned to address the influx of "legal" immigrants.
Do you want to continue to enforce laws that are unjust and unsustainable? Do you want to continue a policy of exclusion and enmity? What sort of resentments and conflicts are formed by excluding whole classes of people? How do the consequences of these policies affect the National Interest?
Well, how many people would you like us to allow entry into the United States?
Sorry. Put up an electric fence. Get rid of water stations. Increase border control agents. Place the National Guard on the border and give them powers of enforcement. Deport all aliens with a criminal record. Stem the tide of the illegal invasion. No family members of illegals already here will be permitted to come here.
But at this point, I will reconcile myself to the fact that we have to keep several million of the illegals already here. But those with criminal records get the boot.
Colorado is being hit hard by illegal immigration. I would think you'd support a stringent border enforcement policy.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 28, 2007 13:48:17 GMT -8
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Inscription on the Statue of Liberty
Why?
Over 70% of Americans can trace their heritage to someone who came through Ellis Island in New York. I would think you'd support the immigration of people.
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Post by 101ABN on May 28, 2007 14:44:11 GMT -8
"Over 70% of Americans can trace their heritage to someone who came through Ellis Island in New York. I would think you'd support the immigration of people."
Yes, they came through the IMMIGRATIoN TERMINAL at Elllis Island, they didn't jump the fence in the middle of the night or come in a SeaLand container marked as consumer products.
Your inability to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants disqualifies you from any intelligent discussion on the matter.
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Post by MARIO on May 28, 2007 22:52:33 GMT -8
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Inscription on the Statue of Liberty
Yeah..and?
Are you telling me you support an open border policy?
Why?[/b[
Are you kidding? Do I even have to get into all of the problems an unbridled illegal invasion h as caused this country?
Over 70% of Americans can trace their heritage to someone who came through Ellis Island in New York. I would think you'd support the immigration of people
Yep, they knocked on the front door and were invited in.
That's not the case with the massive illegal invasion in the South, is it?
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Post by AmericanPride on May 30, 2007 16:53:21 GMT -8
How many times do you have to be told the same thing? The vast majority of "illegals" enter the country legally and overstay visas. The border "problem" is a figment of your fearful imagination. Is delusional paranoia what disenrolled you from the Army?
That'd be nice, since you have already implicitly accepted that its adverse economic impacts are insignificant. The hundreds of companies that hire "illegals" probably agree.
I'm telling you I support the principles this country was founded on. Don't you?
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