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Post by bounce on Dec 31, 2007 16:11:08 GMT -8
One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.- Martin Luther King I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice.- Abraham Lincoln They probably know a little more about "justice" and "racism" than Webster's Dictionary.... You need to get back on your meds. |
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Post by AmericanPride on Dec 31, 2007 16:16:00 GMT -8
Men despise what they do not understand.
-- Greek Proverb
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Post by bounce on Dec 31, 2007 16:22:56 GMT -8
Men despise what they do not understand.-- Greek Proverb |
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Post by AmericanPride on Dec 31, 2007 19:18:42 GMT -8
That would certainly explain your conclusion that I am moonbat. Now your support of expanding the powers of the federal government, increasing government spending, and eroding free market principles makes sense.
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 31, 2007 19:38:21 GMT -8
"Now your support of expanding the powers of the federal government, increasing government spending, and eroding free market principles makes sense."
Utter nonsense, AP.
"restricting the movement of people"
Have you completely taken leave of your senses?
YES, GODDAMMIT!
We have EVERY right to restrict the movements of foriegners across our borders, EVERY right to detain and deport those who cross those borders illegally, and EVERY right to raid Hormel or General Motors, or Merry Moppet's day care, or anyone else employing illegals in violation of Federal law.
This is the second time you've alluded to your absurd belief that a sovereign nation has no right to enforce its own borders, that if it does so, it is somehow an injustice.
That, sir, is unmitigated moonbattery in the 1st degree.
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Post by bounce on Dec 31, 2007 19:40:27 GMT -8
That would certainly explain your conclusion that I am moonbat. Now your support of expanding the powers of the federal government, increasing government spending, and eroding free market principles makes sense. Don't you ever get sick and tired of embarrassing yourself? Jesus man! The shit that comes out of your mouth is so fucking bass-ackward that it's mind-boggling. Whenever you get your statement or point of view obliterated, you respond with more bullshit! You don't seem to get tired of being proven wrong. The loss of face you are continuously being put through seems to have no affect on you. You don't appear to have any shame at all. You seem to have no clue that illegals are a HUGE drain on our government's resources. You don't seem to understand that controlling illegal immigration would result IN MORE MONEY IN OUR TREASURY (not less). The health care system in California is on the verge of collapsing under the weight of all the illegals. Moreover, you don't seem to understand the lessons we paid so dearly for in the Civil War regarding the free trade of human flesh (which I find particularly mind-boggling). Please educate yourself! www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150750,00.html www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.htmlwww.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdfwww.freenewmexican.com/news/980.html |
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Post by AmericanPride on Dec 31, 2007 20:03:20 GMT -8
I do not dispute the right. I dispute acting upon it the way that we do -- the act itself is an injustice, not having the right to act. A similar analogy -- I do not dispute bounce's right to speak, but he hasn't learned that doesn't mean he should always speak.
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 31, 2007 20:12:46 GMT -8
Doesn't work for me, AP.
The ONLY damned thing wrong with our immigration laws is that they HAVEN"T been enforced, despite your claims to the contrary.
Enforcement has been far too lax for far too long.
I also find your comments that advocating the enforcement of these laws makes one "anti-immigrant" DEEPLY offensive.
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Post by AmericanPride on Dec 31, 2007 20:23:38 GMT -8
All I've asked is for anyone to provide a coherent and reasonable argument. Making a statement is the first step. The evidence is the second step.
But you find one of my statements deeply offensive -- but not your incessant insults?
Do as I say, not as I do -- is that your philosophy now?
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 31, 2007 20:47:13 GMT -8
"All I've asked is for anyone to provide a coherent and reasonable argument. Making a statement is the first step. The evidence is the second step. "
All you've provided is NONSENSICAL rhetoric. I've seen nothing from you resembling evidence. I've likewise seen no indication that you would accept evidence if it was presented to you on stone tablets by the hand of God.
"Do as I say, not as I do -- is that your philosophy now? "
You LOVE to put words in people's mouths, don't you.
I will tell you again.
That statement is offensive.
It's disingenuous and is an insult to anyone who opposes ILLEGAL immigration but has no objection to LEGAL immigration. It's not even a subtle difference. It's not nuanced or shaded in gray. It's LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL.
And enforcing the law is NOT "anti-immigrant."
That's not a philosophy, that's reality.
Deal with it.
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Post by AmericanPride on Dec 31, 2007 20:52:43 GMT -8
That also accurately describes the majority of your statements. Why do you expect treatment that you do not accord to me? Nobody has a right to special advantages but you? That is certainly the implication of your statements. I can certainly admit that my statement may have come off as offensive, but that is not my intention. I doubt that your insults were not intended to be offensive.
I've yet to see any evidence except exclamations of "bullshit" and "moronic". Is that the standard we are using here?
I've made an argument. No one has asked for evidence -- they've quickly jumped to personal attacks. I thought that's the strategy of "moonbats"?
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Post by 101ABN on Dec 31, 2007 22:35:16 GMT -8
"I've made an argument."
Based in what, platitudes?
Sorry, but your argument IS bullshit and you're either too uneducated or inexperienced to see the inherent foolishness.
"No one has asked for evidence? "
My God! That is just laughable.
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Post by bounce on Jan 1, 2008 7:40:47 GMT -8
"I've made an argument." Based in what, platitudes? Sorry, but your argument IS bullshit and you're either too uneducated or inexperienced to see the inherent foolishness. "No one has asked for evidence? " My God! That is just laughable. As I read back over this I began asking myself why I was cursing so much. Then, I got to this and realized that it has to do with the frustration of trying to communicate with a total nut-job. Don't get me wrong, to a certain extent it was fun slapping him in the face with reality. However, when you are dealing with a person who does not appear to be able to see when they've had their butt kicked, and they aren't the slightest bit embarrassed when it is repeatedly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt how ridiculous their statements are.... It can get frustrating. At THC, no common-sense rules apply. People like AP are free to expose their thoughts with abandon. They remind me of the freak show at the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey circus (as this series of posts has done). I think that if there had been a cursing filter on this thread yesterday, I would have walked away from the computer after the first post. LOL When common sense can't break through the mental static of the person you are trying to educate, sometimes emphasizing certain salient points with a curse word can help. I can see that in AP's case, that doesn't help. I'll try to remember that. I am left wondering what the life of a psychiatrist must be like. Is it any wonder that they get to be just as crazy as their patients? No way could I deal with AP every day. In fact, AP, I must tell you this... My greatest wish for you in this life is for you to be put in a position where you have to deal with SOMEONE JUST LIKE YOURSELF. You need to see what it's like. It might be educational. |
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Post by AmericanPride on Jan 1, 2008 10:12:42 GMT -8
"Common sense is the best distributed thing in the world, for we all think we possess a good share of it."
-- René Descartes
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
-- Albert Einstein
Or are these "experts" too educated for you?
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Post by bounce on Jan 1, 2008 10:27:19 GMT -8
Here is one you should pay particular attention to AP:
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it.
-Henry Ford
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