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Post by tankcommander on Nov 25, 2011 7:22:02 GMT -8
The Sentry opened up a very large can of “Shut The Fuck Up” to a group of people laughing at the Tomb. Not a peep was heard afterwards. Notice how he went about it...he stepped off the black mat, made his comments, proceeded to the end of the mat without getting back on until he reaches the end...then step onto the black mat again, begins his 21 steps again.... www.allproudamericans.com/No-Laughing-at-the-Tomb-of-the-Unknown-Soldier.html |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 25, 2011 8:29:21 GMT -8
That can of "shut the fuck up" may have been large but that Soldier opened it with the calm coolness and ease that only disciplined men like us can appreciate. Hooah!
Does the Army allow men to speak at port arms? That is a big no-no for us. We are required to go to order arms if we are to speak. You guys also speak at parade rest, again a no-no for us. We are required to stand at attention if we are to speak.
Thanks to that video, I now know why the Tomb Guard makes two facing movements instead of an about face.
P.S. that Soldier carried out his request for silence with the utmost military bearing and discipline which only adds to the already known fact that the 3rd U.S. Infantry is truly an elite outfit.
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Post by peterd on Nov 25, 2011 8:36:05 GMT -8
People who come to the thomb of unknown and laugh are not normal. Only ignorant people would laugh. I guess it takes all kinds.
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Post by tankcommander on Nov 25, 2011 8:54:12 GMT -8
Does the Army allow men to speak at port arms? That is a big no-no for us. We are required to go to order arms if we are to speak. Yes. When Marines issue a challenge while on guard duty, you go to order arms? |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 25, 2011 16:04:14 GMT -8
Does the Army allow men to speak at port arms? That is a big no-no for us. We are required to go to order arms if we are to speak. Yes. When Marines issue a challenge while on guard duty, you go to order arms? Yes, we do. |
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Post by 101ABN on Nov 25, 2011 17:18:41 GMT -8
Yes. When Marines issue a challenge while on guard duty, you go to order arms? Yes, we do. That makes no sense. |
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Post by 101ABN on Nov 25, 2011 17:42:46 GMT -8
In a military situation, A Marine would follow protocol to speak, I'm thinking. The people acting up in this video certainly were NOT military. So, maybe we are speaking of two different things here. Going to Order Arms when issuing a challenge on a guard post makes no sense. |
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Post by 101ABN on Nov 25, 2011 18:33:28 GMT -8
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 25, 2011 19:12:37 GMT -8
Maybe so. Marines do not speak at port arms nor do they speak at parade rest. If you are refering to a Marine sentry who was on duty at the airbase at Da Nang or at Khe Sanh or present day at an FOB in Iraq or Afghanistan, those formalities of coming to the order to speak are probably not followed because the said sentry is probably pointing his weapon at whomever he is challenging due to the fact that he is in a combat zone. |
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Post by tankcommander on Nov 25, 2011 19:32:17 GMT -8
U.S. Army Field Manual 22-6 Orders to Sentry (9) The special orders will specify the time for challenging. (a) When challenging, a guard, armed with a rifle, carbine, or shotgun will challenge from the position of port arms as described in the manual of arms in FM 22-5. If armed with a pistol the guard will challenge from the position of raise pistol. www.scribd.com/doc/69979697/2472325-Army-fm22-6-Gaurd-Duty |
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Post by tankcommander on Nov 26, 2011 7:08:04 GMT -8
In a military situation, A Marine would follow protocol to speak, I'm thinking. The people acting up in this video certainly were NOT military. So, maybe we are speaking of two different things here. Going to Order Arms when issuing a challenge on a guard post makes no sense. Seems almost humorous for a sentry to be giving commands like "advance to be recognized", or "do not move or I will shoot" with their rifle sitting on the ground, next to their leg like a Cocker Spaniel. A sentry giving commands from Port Arms is certainly more authoritative, and intimidating. Especially when the rifle has a fixed bayonet like "The Old Guard's" rifles do....... There's just something about a rifle with a fixed bayonet!  |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 26, 2011 7:45:22 GMT -8
Order arms is the position of attention. We only speak at the position of attention, therefore, we only speak at order arms.
We also only make facing movements, while standing, at order arms; ie: platoon attention(platoon is at order arms), right face, port arms, forward march. Once marching we make facing movements at port, shoulder, sling arms, etc.
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 26, 2011 12:26:30 GMT -8
Order arms is the position of attention. We only speak at the position of attention, therefore, we only speak at order arms. Yes but on guard duty, you don't need permission to speak. Going port arms to challenge an intruder is expected with guard duty. I'm sure there's a disconnect here. I think going port arms is in reference to active guard duty in this thread. You wouldn't go to order arms with a possible enemy approaching while on guard duty. You are entitled to your opinion, however, the Marine Corps does what it does. You're more than welcome to email the Commandant of the Marine Corps and tell him what you think. You also must remember that most everything we do is based on something nautical. Maybe therein lies the reasoning. I said it in another post here, if you are refering to a Marine on sentry duty in a combat zone he will most likely be pointing his weapon at whomever he is challenging. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Dec 3, 2011 5:57:07 GMT -8
What the sentry did was a work of art, IMHO.
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