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Post by tankcommander on Nov 26, 2011 9:10:08 GMT -8
I think we all went through it.  |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 26, 2011 9:15:33 GMT -8
Ah, the memories. ;D
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Post by tankcommander on Nov 26, 2011 9:22:49 GMT -8
Good to know that some things never change. The snot, the mucous..... It all still looks the same!  |
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Post by Sailor on Nov 27, 2011 16:28:36 GMT -8
Good to know that some things never change. The snot, the mucous..... It all still looks the same! Indeed it does. |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 27, 2011 18:01:21 GMT -8
Good to know that some things never change. The snot, the mucous..... It all still looks the same! I can't remember anytime other than after exiting the gas chamber when my sinuses were totally clear!  |
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Post by chillyd on Nov 28, 2011 13:31:00 GMT -8
LOL . . . what a reminder!!! I think I managed to choke out "I will guard everything" before the gas got me.
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Post by peterd on Nov 28, 2011 15:41:27 GMT -8
Good memories. Everybody came out with tears and itch.
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Post by Sailor on Nov 28, 2011 15:49:02 GMT -8
LOL . . . what a reminder!!! I think I managed to choke out "I will guard everything" before the gas got me. We were required to recite the "11 General Orders of a Sentry." I don't think any of us got beyond the 2nd before the inevitable. One of the recruits who had just started his "Ship's Service Week" assisting there started laughing and pointing at us (he had gone through it a few weeks before) as we piled out into the fresh air. The Chief running the place took note, didn't yell at him or chew him out but just sent him inside without a mask. ;D |
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Post by warrior1972 on Nov 28, 2011 16:59:36 GMT -8
This was mild shit.
Yeah, I went through it.
Several times.
But, according to the briefings I received, the Soviets held war games using live nerve agent, and went into those exercises expecting a minimum of 3% casualties.
Also, according to the briefings I received, the Soviets were absolute undisputed masters at chem warfare. They were equipped to utilize chemicals from the very beginning of an offensive.
In fact, I am still far more scared of North Korea's chem warfare capabilities than I am of their atomic popgun (Last time I checked the North still had about 5,000 tons of chem agent. It is NOT a rumor or faulty intel, like Saddam Hussein's imaginary post Persian Gulf War chem arsenal. North Korea had this stuff back in the 1980's, at least, and they manufacture their own chemicals, just like they do their own missiles, which was an outgrowth of the SCUDs the Soviets gave them.)
Those capabilities, and the chem warfare capabilities of most non-Western nations, are still, to this very day, based on the Soviet model to varying degrees.
The Soviets were under the Warsaw Pact Order of Battle, which stipulated that all weapons systems, from nuclear on down, were to be utilized at the outset of any conflict, if it was thought that the utilization of those weapons gave them a better chance of victory.
Scary shit, gentlemen.
Scary shit.
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Post by chillyd on Nov 28, 2011 18:18:19 GMT -8
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Post by warrior1972 on Nov 29, 2011 5:33:51 GMT -8
Novichok (Russian íîâè÷îê: "Newcomer") is a series of nerve agents that were developed by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s[1] and allegedly the most deadly nerve agents ever made, with some variants possibly five to eight times more potent than VX, though this has never been proven.[2][3] They belong to "fourth generation chemical weapons" designed as a part of Soviet "Foliant" program.[4] Initially designated K-84 and later renamed A-230. The Novichok family of analogs comprises more than a hundred structural variants.[5] Of all the variants the most promising, from a military standpoint, was A-232 (Novichok-5).[6] Design objectives These agents were designed to achieve three objectives: To be undetectable using standard NATO chemical detection equipment
To defeat NATO chemical protective gear
To be safer to handleAlthough all these objectives were claimed to have been achieved, this is yet to be proven. Some of these agents are binary weapons, in which precursors for the nerve agents are mixed in a munition to produce the agent just prior to its use. Because the precursors are generally significantly less hazardous than the agents themselves, this technique makes handling and transporting the munitions a great deal simpler. Additionally, precursors to the agents are usually much easier to stabilize than the agents themselves, so this technique also made it possible to increase the shelf life of the agents. However this has the disadvantage that careless preparation or preparation by untrained individuals may produce a non-optimal agent. During the 1980s and 1990s, binary versions of several Soviet agents were developed and are designated as "Novichok" agents (after the Russian word for "newcomer"). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agentChemical weapons Russia signed the Chemical Weapons Convention on January 13, 1993, and ratified it on November 5, 1997. Russia declared an arsenal of 39,967 tons of chemical weapons in 1997 consisting of: blister agents: Lewisite, mustard, Lewisite-mustard-mix (HL) nerve agents: Sarin, Soman, VX Russia met its treaty obligations by destroying 1% of its chemical agents by the Chemical Weapons Convention's 2002 deadline,[22] but requested technical and financial assistance and extensions on the deadlines of 2004 and 2007 due to the environmental challenges of chemical disposal. This extension procedure spelled out in the treaty has been utilized by other countries, including the United States. The extended deadline for complete destruction (April 2012) will not be met.[3] As of July 2010, Russia has destroyed 48% of its stockpile.[3] Russia has stored its chemical weapons (or the required chemicals) which it declared within the CWC at 8 locations: in Gorny (Saratov Oblast) (2.9% of the declared stockpile by mass) and Kambarka (Udmurt Republic) (15.9%) stockpiles already have been destroyed. In Shchuchye (Kurgan Oblast) (13.6%), Maradykovsky (Kirov Oblast) (17.4%) and Leonidovka (Penza Oblast) (17.2%) destruction takes place, while installations are under construction in Pochep (Bryansk Oblast) (18.8%) and Kizner (Udmurt Republic) (14.2%).[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Chemical_weapons
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Post by chillyd on Nov 29, 2011 8:03:24 GMT -8
Binary rounds -- scary stuff. It gave me the willy's when I heard, in 2004, that Saddam Insane had them in Desert Storm. We were told, as we contemplated the breach of Wadi al Batin in Jan 1991, that his poorly made chemical weapons had degraded to the point they would be useless. Needless to say, Saddam's chemical seeds would not have degraded in binary rounds.  Personally, I doubted the utility of chemical & biological weapons in the harsh, wind-swept desert plains of southern Iraq; however, it was bothersome to the troops.
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