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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 16, 2005 20:49:13 GMT -8
Because PRC is a Communist nation that threatens our global hegemony. Is any other reason needed? They are also one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) abuser of civil liberties in the world. Furthermore, we must let them know that we do not approve of their continued aggression towards the Republic of China. I'm not talking about a full-blown land invasion of PRC but an air campaign would be nice. Simply to "remind" them who the world's ONLY super power is. I'm not so sure our allies in S. Korea and Japan would like us to destabalise the reagion. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Apr 16, 2005 21:04:07 GMT -8
I'm not so sure our allies in S. Korea and Japan would like us to destabalise the reagion. I'm sure they would rather become pawns of an Imperial PRC. |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 17, 2005 2:15:02 GMT -8
I'm sure they would rather become pawns of an Imperial PRC. While I sure of Japan would happily help in a war with China if China were the aggressor, I have doubt over how much help they might give us if we just decide to conduct a air campain with no real motive or purpose. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Apr 17, 2005 8:59:19 GMT -8
While I sure of Japan would happily help in a war with China if China were the aggressor, I have doubt over how much help they might give us if we just decide to conduct a air campain with no real motive or purpose. Protecting America's best interests is not a real motive or purpose? Furthermore, since when did we start caring about what other countries think? |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 17, 2005 13:18:28 GMT -8
Protecting America's best interests is not a real motive or purpose? Furthermore, since when did we start caring about what other countries think? Protecting American interests while putting their country in danger wouldn't gain much support with the Japanese or S. Korean. You might want to consider the fact that we still have a very large amount of troops in S. Korea and Japan. If a ari raid is conducted on China you can expect China to attack our troops in S. Korea which will bring N. Korea into this conflict which risks millions of lives. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Apr 17, 2005 13:24:59 GMT -8
Protecting American interests while putting their country in danger wouldn't gain much support with the Japanese or S. Korean. You might want to consider the fact that we still have a very large amount of troops in S. Korea and Japan. If a ari raid is conducted on China you can expect China to attack our troops in S. Korea which will bring N. Korea into this conflict which risks millions of lives. A war with PRC/N. Korea vs. America, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia is inevitable and any attempt to avoid it is foolish. Why not wage war on a time and place of our choosing as opposed to our enemies? As is evident vis-a-vis PRC's rhetoric towards Taiwan recently, they fully plan on annexing the country sometime in the near future. Indeed, PRC's official policy is that Taiwan is part of the main country but is simply a "rogue state". Any moves by Taiwan towards "independence" (which they already have) will be seen by an act of war by PRC and they WILL attack them. We can either fight PRC now when they are un-prepared, or we can fight them in the future after they upgrade their military. The choice is ours, not theirs. |
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Post by MARIO on Apr 17, 2005 15:19:40 GMT -8
Because PRC is a Communist nation that threatens our global hegemony. Is any other reason needed? They are also one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) abuser of civil liberties in the world. Furthermore, we must let them know that we do not approve of their continued aggression towards the Republic of China. I'm not talking about a full-blown land invasion of PRC but an air campaign would be nice. Simply to "remind" them who the world's ONLY super power is. Well james, you make me look like a moderate. And that's not easy to do.  Later. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Apr 17, 2005 15:33:59 GMT -8
Well james, you make me look like a moderate. And that's not easy to do. Later. In terms of foreign policy I am probably the largest hawk (except maybe Chris) out there. I don't believe in war just to defend the nation. We also reserve the right to go to war anytime that we feel a nation attacks our interests or threatens our global hegemony. I also wouldn't tolerate this half-assed effort in the War On Terror. Either you are with us or against us - it IS that simple. Nations that aren't actively engaged in the WoT are to be considered allies of terrorism and enemies of America. Case closed. |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 17, 2005 18:35:09 GMT -8
A war with PRC/N. Korea vs. America, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia is inevitable and any attempt to avoid it is foolish. Why not wage war on a time and place of our choosing as opposed to our enemies? As is evident vis-a-vis PRC's rhetoric towards Taiwan recently, they fully plan on annexing the country sometime in the near future. Indeed, PRC's official policy is that Taiwan is part of the main country but is simply a "rogue state". Any moves by Taiwan towards "independence" (which they already have) will be seen by an act of war by PRC and they WILL attack them. We can either fight PRC now when they are un-prepared, or we can fight them in the future after they upgrade their military. The choice is ours, not theirs. It would be foolish to try and avoid a probable nucular war? If we are to go to war lets do it at a time that gives us the best chance for total victory. That time is not now. Our standing in the world is a not all that great. If we enter a war with China as the aggressors than I wouldn't expect just N. Korea to jump aboard to support them. People will have sympathy for the Chinease against the supposed "imperalistic" Americans. If China uses military action against Taiwon that probably would lead to American intervention. Guess we'll have to wait and see if China follows through on those threats. I believe that a war with China with us as the aggressors will have the least amount of success right now. It's just not time yet FF. |
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Post by americanpride on Apr 17, 2005 19:06:51 GMT -8
We must shape an environment in which we excercise all military and political advantages in relation to China - developing a flexible strategy in which we can strike at the decisive point at the decisive time. Necessarily, this strike would have to disable China's command and control systems, information networks, and response capabilities. The political state would have to be destroyed in its whole and replaced by a democratic authority. All the objectives must be achieved simultaneously.
To create this environment, we must introduce the nuclear variable into the region; primarily our South Korean and Japanese allies. In conjunction, we must also expand the NMD umbrella to include our assests in those countries. This will force China to militarize and provide our pretext for a first strike.
There are two random variables that require our policies to be embedded with extended flexibility: the stability of the North Korean regime, and the independence of Taiwan, either of which could potentially provide another reason to "intervene" in China's internal affairs.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 18, 2005 1:58:53 GMT -8
In conjunction, we must also expand the NMD umbrella to include our assests in those countries. Pardon my ignorance here Chris, but I'm unfamiliar with the acronym NMD. Please explain. |
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Post by americanpride on Apr 18, 2005 6:21:45 GMT -8
Pardon my ignorance here Chris, but I'm unfamiliar with the acronym NMD. Please explain. National Missile Defense. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Apr 18, 2005 10:11:49 GMT -8
It would be foolish to try and avoid a probable nucular war? If we are to go to war lets do it at a time that gives us the best chance for total victory. That time is not now. Our standing in the world is a not all that great. If we enter a war with China as the aggressors than I wouldn't expect just N. Korea to jump aboard to support them. People will have sympathy for the Chinease against the supposed "imperalistic" Americans. If China uses military action against Taiwon that probably would lead to American intervention. Guess we'll have to wait and see if China follows through on those threats. I believe that a war with China with us as the aggressors will have the least amount of success right now. It's just not time yet FF. I would like to see PRC use nuclear weapons once we have the SDI shield in place. Any use of nuclear weapons would be futile and would only justify our use of nuclear weapons against them. People might have sympathy for China but that's where it would stop - just sympathy. As you are well aware, Europe and the rest of the world are a bunch of little girls who never fight anymore. You could blow up the Eiffel Tower and France wouldn't fight. The only countries that still actively use military force are America, the United Kingdom, PRC, Russia and the Koreas. I doubt we would have much to fear from the rest of the world. As of this moment, PRC has no blue-water Navy and no respectable Air Force. The only thing they do have is the world's largest army - which we really don't care about. I don't think you appreciate the power that the USAF has right now. It's time to use the new toys that we have spent billions of dollars developing and creating. Furthermore, an air war conducted by stealth bombers and fighter jets would result in minimum (if any) casualties. I don't see any downside to such an attack. PRC won't act on Taiwan until they have a chance to invade them. Unfortunately, we can't wait that long or else the struggle won't last very long. It is clear that PRC intends to act upon Taiwan in the next decade. Either we can choose to be pro-active or reactive. Again, the choice is ours. |
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