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Post by americanpride on Jul 3, 2005 5:23:41 GMT -8
No - he has committed no crime, nor has his drivel spurred others to do so.
Had his words incited murder or illegal insurrection against our legal government, then I would be of the strongest opinion that he should be hanged. But until his words are cause for death or mayhem, his right to be stupid has no limit.
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Post by LorSpi on Jul 3, 2005 6:43:36 GMT -8
Sue the SOB for every dime he has.
THAT's the American way.
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Post by FightingFalcon on Jul 3, 2005 13:39:26 GMT -8
No - he has committed no crime, nor has his drivel spurred others to do so. Had his words incited murder or illegal insurrection against our legal government, then I would be of the strongest opinion that he should be hanged. But until his words are cause for death or mayhem, his right to be stupid has no limit. Wow Chris, I gotta say I'm pleasently surprised by your answer  I'm with Mateo on this one btw. Our duty is to the Republic and the Constitution - not the government. It indeed was Thomas Jefferson who said that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing". Cameron your duty isn't to the government - it's to the Republic. EDIT: As for the man in question, he was simply exercising his free speech. Unless he had advocated the violent overthrow of the government, he committed no crime. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 4, 2005 20:40:14 GMT -8
No - he has committed no crime, nor has his drivel spurred others to do so. Had his words incited murder or illegal insurrection against our legal government, then I would be of the strongest opinion that he should be hanged. But until his words are cause for death or mayhem, his right to be stupid has no limit. Wow Chris, I gotta say I'm pleasently surprised by your answer I'm with Mateo on this one btw. Our duty is to the Republic and the Constitution - not the government. It indeed was Thomas Jefferson who said that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing". Cameron your duty isn't to the government - it's to the Republic. EDIT: As for the man in question, he was simply exercising his free speech. Unless he had advocated the violent overthrow of the government, he committed no crime. I know where my duty's lay Falcon. The Government represents the people we elect it. Your confused. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Jul 5, 2005 4:02:23 GMT -8
Wow Chris, I gotta say I'm pleasently surprised by your answer I'm with Mateo on this one btw. Our duty is to the Republic and the Constitution - not the government. It indeed was Thomas Jefferson who said that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing". Cameron your duty isn't to the government - it's to the Republic. EDIT: As for the man in question, he was simply exercising his free speech. Unless he had advocated the violent overthrow of the government, he committed no crime. I know where my duty's lay Falcon. The Government represents the people we elect it. Your confused. The government does not protect the people's civil liberties - we do that through the 2nd Amendment. Every Founding Father understood that the people will always have the right to overthrow the government if they betray the ideals of the Republic. If the Senate tomorrow voted to make America a military dictatorship would you follow them simply because they are the elected leaders of this country? I certainly hope not. There is a reason why the military takes an Oath to defend the Constitution - not the government. They are charged with defending it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. That includes the United States government as well. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 5, 2005 4:30:24 GMT -8
That's sounds like a bad RNA movie. I support our rights to own firearms, but please before it's to late, put down the kool-aid. Your agument is that he is harmless, no one will take him seriously or act on his ideas. Well that's what I used to think about these clowns.
Earth Liberation Front - ELF
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Post by FightingFalcon on Jul 5, 2005 13:55:13 GMT -8
It will be a dark day in America when you can be arrested simply for exercising your free speech.
Beware, for the Thought Police are out in force...
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Post by mateo on Jul 5, 2005 15:28:25 GMT -8
It will be a dark day in America when you can be arrested simply for exercising your free speech. Beware, for the Thought Police are out in force... Cameron's just pissed off cause this guy's an asshole and makes him mad. And for that, apparently, Cameron thinks he should be punished with death. THis guy's entertaining at least. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 5, 2005 17:16:26 GMT -8
It will be a dark day in America when you can be arrested simply for exercising your free speech. Beware, for the Thought Police are out in force...  This shouldn't be difficult. Your not allowed to shout fire in a crowded movie theater without punishment. When you advocate murder, your crossing a line. With each right that is inalienably yours comes a personal responsibility. You can be held responsible for the consequences of what you say. If you advocate violent revolution you need to accept the consequences of what you are doing and Society has every right to hold you responsible. Beware the thought police they will try to scare you into thinking that to be intolerant of true hate speech is a character flaw. |
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Post by mateo on Jul 5, 2005 17:22:53 GMT -8
Your not allowed to shout fire in a crowded movie theater without punishment
Another Michael Savage rip off line. He's says this one frequently also.
If you advocate violent revolution you need to accept the consequences of what you are doing
So the Founding Fathers were wrong? Or was Britain 230 years ago capable of tyranny but American government in the 21st century isn't? PLease elaborate.
You're claiming that advocated violent revolution is always wrong. How do you think The USA came to be? Violent revolution was part of it.
Assholes like Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, and whpever else piss me off. However, I realzie that in America, you can say whatever you want. It's when you act on it that it's becomes a problem.
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Post by 101ABN on Jul 5, 2005 17:28:54 GMT -8
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1919.
FYI
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Post by mateo on Jul 5, 2005 17:33:36 GMT -8
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1919. FYI There's free speech and then there's sounded a phony fire alarm. People use this anology all the time but I don't see how it is relevant to free speech. Remember the dick head who hung the efigy of the American soldier from his his house a few months ago? DIsgusting, but it was on his property and it stated his disgusting view of the military. Had he lit it on fire and endangered others, hten it would have been a crime. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 5, 2005 18:13:34 GMT -8
Your not allowed to shout fire in a crowded movie theater without punishmentAnother Michael Savage rip off line. He's says this one frequently also. If you advocate violent revolution you need to accept the consequences of what you are doing So the Founding Fathers were wrong? Or was Britain 230 years ago capable of tyranny but American government in the 21st century isn't? PLease elaborate. You're claiming that advocated violent revolution is always wrong. How do you think The USA came to be? Violent revolution was part of it. Assholes like Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, and whpever else piss me off. However, I realzie that in America, you can say whatever you want. It's when you act on it that it's becomes a problem.  You keep trying to claim the founding fathers would have supported your position and tolerated Ward Churchill in their midsts. They most certainly would not have. He would have been run out of town on a rail.(try looking that up) at the very least. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 6, 2005 3:51:13 GMT -8
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1919. FYI  Thank you Sir for the exact quote |
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Post by mateo on Jul 8, 2005 8:40:06 GMT -8
Your not allowed to shout fire in a crowded movie theater without punishmentAnother Michael Savage rip off line. He's says this one frequently also. If you advocate violent revolution you need to accept the consequences of what you are doing So the Founding Fathers were wrong? Or was Britain 230 years ago capable of tyranny but American government in the 21st century isn't? PLease elaborate. You're claiming that advocated violent revolution is always wrong. How do you think The USA came to be? Violent revolution was part of it. Assholes like Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, and whpever else piss me off. However, I realzie that in America, you can say whatever you want. It's when you act on it that it's becomes a problem. You keep trying to claim the founding fathers would have supported your position and tolerated Ward Churchill in their midsts. They most certainly would not have. He would have been run out of town on a rail.(try looking that up) at the very least. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. I guess we'll never know cause we didn't live back then. My comments about the FOunding Father's have nothing to do with W. Chrichhill. I could care less about the guy. He's an asshole. The bottom line here is that you advocated the killing of people who said things you disagree with. Noam Chomsky is another asshole, yet I hardly think he did anything worthy of the death penalty. take note of how much people supported you in this thread. |
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