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Post by dstauffer on Mar 18, 2006 2:35:33 GMT -8
Thank you, Tittus. What is your opinion?
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Post by dstauffer on Mar 18, 2006 3:41:15 GMT -8
cameron -
Thanks for understanding my analogy. I think some people have a very hard time grasping the concept of Islam not being just a religion, but an actual form of government -- a way of life, if you will.
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 18, 2006 4:20:01 GMT -8
" What fate God has reserved for me has already been decided. I can only follow the course before me. "
AP, this is an abdication of your personal choice and disrespects the God-given gift of free will.
I truly hope you don't believe this.
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Post by tits on Mar 18, 2006 13:02:46 GMT -8
Jos 24:14-15 "Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
But these quotes speak loudly to me concerning the world for it speaks of God's greatest gift to man, Free Will.
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination." Mark Twain
To show that men desire a God is not to demonstrate anything about whether or not there is, in fact, a deity. RC Sproul
"Some people prefer religion and that is fine for them" Pathagoras
As for as my politics this is my truth: "I do not think I could myself, be brought to support a man for office, whom I knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at, religion." Abraham Lincoln 1846
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Post by dstauffer on Mar 18, 2006 13:41:43 GMT -8
Excellent response, Tittus, I especially like the Lincoln's remarks.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 19, 2006 0:36:50 GMT -8
Lincoln was a genious. I'm sure he holds a special place with the Lord.
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Post by dstauffer on Mar 21, 2006 2:23:40 GMT -8
AmericanPride - You once wrote "the existence of "moderates" among Islam is an illusion." I happened to disagree with you at the time -- and still do. Here is an article from cnn.com of a moderate Islamic televangelist. What makes him unique is recognizes that Muslims are not blameless and reforms are needed. It is an interesting article since this Islamic televangelist is enormously popular in Egypt. us.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/20/reform.preacher.ap/index.htmlBasically, AmericanPride, moderate Muslims do exist -- I know quite a few. |
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Post by AmericanPride on Mar 30, 2006 21:52:09 GMT -8
dstauffer,
The very nature of Islam precludes the existence of what would pass as "moderate" in a civilized society. While some Muslims may be less extreme than others, they are nonetheless governed by the same ideological framework that has only brought us war.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 31, 2006 2:58:02 GMT -8
The closest analogy to Islam I can think of is Mob Rule. The Imams and mulahs are the leaders of the mob. You either lock your doors keeping your mouth shut, go along with it or get torn apart. You are either with the mob or against the mob. It's really life or death. Then you add the the complete lack of hope of Islam and it's all downhill from there.
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Post by Remey688 on Mar 31, 2006 4:57:18 GMT -8
Good post! Alike worshiping Americanism. cameron - Thanks for understanding my analogy. I think some people have a very hard time grasping the concept of Islam not being just a religion, but an actual form of government -- a way of life, if you will. |
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Post by dstauffer on Mar 31, 2006 6:17:11 GMT -8
AmericanPride -
I think you may be misunderstanding what "moderate" Muslims are calling for. They are not just saying that Islam should live in peace with the West, most (at least the ones I know -- Iraqi and Bosnian) are calling for reforms within Islam -- to get away from the 7th century teachings and beliefs. They fully understand that Islam needs to embrace modernity if it is to survive in today's world.
The Egyptian televangelist and that female doctor (sorry, can't remember their names at the moment) are the types of Muslims I am talking about -- and there are more out there than you may realize.
These "moderates" or "reformers" are calling for Islam to change; to steer away from the very thing sfcdoublel mentions in his posts: the stranglehold of the Imams and mullahs (the ullema) over their people.
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