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Post by dustdevil28 on May 18, 2006 13:00:26 GMT -8
"Sinking?" Hehe ... that's pretty damn funny! By the way: I remember being shown file footage of the U.S.S "Forrest Fire" during Navy bootcamp; it was shown to all of us as an effort to drive home the need for effective safety and firefighting on the ship. That film was a staple of every Navy firefighting and damage control class I ever attended. I'm not certain (maybe Battleborn knows) if its still being used. I do know that I saw it all 3 times I had to go through the Shipboard Basic Firefighting class here in Norfolk. It was being used when I went through in '01. It was actualy used to show what not to do when fighting a fire. One of the reasons that fire was so bad was that after they laid down the AFFF the boneheads then took out fire hoses and sprayed the deck which took off the foam which allowed oxygen to get back to the fire.  |
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Post by Sailor on May 18, 2006 14:32:06 GMT -8
What's that little boat doing on deck? According to a website I just visited Navy demolitions people had to set 22 explosive charges on sea chests and internal piping to ensure quick and even flooding of the ship. Looking at a high res photo of the ship I can see what appears to be an electronics pod in the boat. I think it probably contained the control gear for those charges. In photos taken as the ship disappears I cannot see the boat. Given how I saw it being thrown around in the CNN video by the wash of the sinking ship I surmise it was swamped and joined ORISKANY on the bottom. |
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Post by bounce on May 18, 2006 15:27:56 GMT -8
What's that little boat doing on deck? According to a website I just visited Navy demolitions people had to set 22 explosive charges on sea chests and internal piping to ensure quick and even flooding of the ship. Looking at a high res photo of the ship I can see what appears to be an electronics pod in the boat. I think it probably contained the control gear for those charges. In photos taken as the ship disappears I cannot see the boat. Given how I saw it being thrown around in the CNN video by the wash of the sinking ship I surmise it was swamped and joined ORISKANY on the bottom. Well, it DID occur to me that it might be a part of the event, but then I dismissed it thinking... Why wouldn't they just set the demolition computer on deck all by itself or in a box (or in the island - or in the captain's head)? Then I considered that it might just be a derelict itself (like maybe useless property of an influential sailor or something - like a squadron joke) and rather than dispose of it inland, they just set it on deck. I noticed it went down too (which couldn't have been a surprise), so I'm sure it had no "after-event" purpose. It was clearly meant to go down too. I'm sure you're right, Sailor. |
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Post by bounce on May 18, 2006 15:34:01 GMT -8
According to a website I just visited Navy demolitions people had to set 22 explosive charges on sea chests and internal piping to ensure quick and even flooding of the ship. Looking at a high res photo of the ship I can see what appears to be an electronics pod in the boat. I think it probably contained the control gear for those charges. In photos taken as the ship disappears I cannot see the boat. Given how I saw it being thrown around in the CNN video by the wash of the sinking ship I surmise it was swamped and joined ORISKANY on the bottom. Well, it DID occur to me that it might be a part of the event, but then I dismissed it thinking... Why wouldn't they just set the demolition computer on deck all by itself or in a box (or in the island - or in the captain's head)? Then I considered that it might just be a derelict itself (like maybe useless property of an influential sailor or something - like a squadron joke) and rather than dispose of it inland, they just set it on deck. I noticed it went down too (which couldn't have been a surprise), so I'm sure it had no "after-event" purpose. It was clearly meant to go down too. I'm sure you're right, Sailor. I'm sure this is NOT what it was... However, if I was a sailor who spent a lot of time on that boat... And if I was dead and cremated... I might very well appreciate my next of kin putting my ashes in that thing and spending eternity at sea. However, that still doesn't explain why they'd put said ashes in a little boat on deck. Shit man, put me in the captain's quarters or at my old duty station! |
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Post by Sailor on May 19, 2006 13:33:09 GMT -8
According to a website I just visited Navy demolitions people had to set 22 explosive charges on sea chests and internal piping to ensure quick and even flooding of the ship. Looking at a high res photo of the ship I can see what appears to be an electronics pod in the boat. I think it probably contained the control gear for those charges. In photos taken as the ship disappears I cannot see the boat. Given how I saw it being thrown around in the CNN video by the wash of the sinking ship I surmise it was swamped and joined ORISKANY on the bottom. Well, it DID occur to me that it might be a part of the event, but then I dismissed it thinking... Why wouldn't they just set the demolition computer on deck all by itself or in a box (or in the island - or in the captain's head)? Then I considered that it might just be a derelict itself (like maybe useless property of an influential sailor or something - like a squadron joke) and rather than dispose of it inland, they just set it on deck. I noticed it went down too (which couldn't have been a surprise), so I'm sure it had no "after-event" purpose. It was clearly meant to go down too. I'm sure you're right, Sailor. I just reviewed another video of the sinking (I hope this link works): www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=65872&catId=44That boat survived the sinking, and the container held the remote triggering gear for the scuttling charges. I guess the Navy wanted it back. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 3:34:51 GMT -8
Well, it DID occur to me that it might be a part of the event, but then I dismissed it thinking... Why wouldn't they just set the demolition computer on deck all by itself or in a box (or in the island - or in the captain's head)? Then I considered that it might just be a derelict itself (like maybe useless property of an influential sailor or something - like a squadron joke) and rather than dispose of it inland, they just set it on deck. I noticed it went down too (which couldn't have been a surprise), so I'm sure it had no "after-event" purpose. It was clearly meant to go down too. I'm sure you're right, Sailor. I just reviewed another video of the sinking (I hope this link works): www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=65872&catId=44That boat survived the sinking, and the container held the remote triggering gear for the scuttling charges. I guess the Navy wanted it back. Very interesting. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 3:41:43 GMT -8
Sailor, since the typical "recreational diver" max-depth is say, maybe 120 feet or so...
And since it went down in, what, a little over 200 feet or so or water.
If the carrier settled on its side, would any part of it be reachable by some numb-nuts newby diver?
How wide is that thing?
You know damn good and well that the allure of diving that site is going to be overwhelming to a lot of people.
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Post by tankcommander on May 20, 2006 4:45:09 GMT -8
Sailor, since the typical "recreational diver" max-depth is say, maybe 120 feet or so... And since it went down in, what, a little over 200 feet or so or water. If the carrier settled on its side, would any part of it be reachable by some numb-nuts newby diver? How wide is that thing? You know damn good and well that the allure of diving that site is going to be overwhelming to a lot of people. I saw a story that it was going to open to diver's YESTERDAY! You're right about people dieing on the wreck, they will! Have you ever done any SCUBA bounce? It's almost exactly like flying, but in real slow motion, and if you fuck up you don't crash, you drown. When you're at deeper depths, navigating in a wreck, or in a cave your decision's are just as critical. Your equipment also has to perform, or you're screwed. The dynamics of movement are the same in the water as in the air, you can do a whole aerobatic routine without an airplane, just in slow motion, and without those nasty G forces. You can even get stuff like Narcosis, that fucks with your head, like vertigo. I don't know if there will be any regs. on diving the wreck. I'm not a big time diver, but growing up in Fla., I've done my share over the years. Haaa, when I started, we were like the kid's on the "FLIPPER" TV show, cutoff shorts and a tank on your back. Most of the really good stuff is at less than a hundred feet anyway. Today they have so much shit on, you about need a crane to lift them out of the water, like some kind of ROV. LOL! |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 5:26:38 GMT -8
Yeah, hell yeah. My wife and I were Licensed Dive Masters back 20 years ago. We never worked in the profession, but we went through the training. I think my wife was PADI and I was NAUI.
NO SHIT!!! It's very dangerous.
Once I learned more about the subject I stopped going deep. When I was young, AND STUPID, I used to go deep (180 feet plus). I don't know that I ever went to 200 (thank God). However, once I got my shit together, I liked to stay above 100'.
We haven't been diving in a very long time though. Hurricane Andrew destroyed most everything in our house and when we left Florida (and moved to the desert), we gave the gear away.
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 6:20:33 GMT -8
You're EXACTLY right about all the good stuff that's above 100 feet.
Shit, there are plenty of places to go where you can have a blast in 60 feet of water.
Plus, if you're planning repetitive dives, it's much safer to stay shallow.
The last time and place my wife and I went diving was in Kawai back in 1987.
As I recall, we made it to 120 feet once. The rest of the time we were in 30 feet of water. It was a blast!
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Post by tankcommander on May 20, 2006 6:33:57 GMT -8
I gotta tell you this story. I'm not shiting you, when I was a kid I spent more time in and on Tampa Bay, than I did on shore, I learned SCUBA when I was about 10 years old, back in the mid 60s. Back then diver certification was just starting, and I learned from experienced divers, but never got certified. In the early 80s I decided to get certified along with one of my girlfriend's. In the class the instructors really hammered you on how UNSAFE it is to DIVE without the proper TRAINING. One day I was sitting around bullshitting with the two instructors and said something about ultralights. They looked at each other, and then one of them said, "we don't like to talk about that". Turn's out Lindbergh and Doolittle had bought an ultralight, read a few books, and decided to teach themselves to fly it . I guess they taxied it faster and faster, then crow hopped it, and then flew it up and down the runway a few times. Shit man sooner or later you have to take it around and make a REAL landing. On the first attempt one of them crashed it and broke his leg in three places. That was the end of their flying days. Correspondence school pilots, haaaaa!
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 6:42:31 GMT -8
I gotta tell you this story. I'm not shiting you, when I was a kid I spent more time in and on Tampa Bay, than I did on shore, I learned SCUBA when I was about 10 years old, back in the mid 60s. Back then diver certification was just starting, and I learned from experienced divers, but never got certified. In the early 80s I decided to get certified along with one of my girlfriend's. In the class the instructors really hammered you on how UNSAFE it is to DIVE without the proper TRAINING. One day I was sitting around bullshitting with the two instructors and said something about ultralights. They looked at each other, and then one of them said, "we don't like to talk about that". Turn's out Lindbergh and Doolittle had bought an ultralight, read a few books, and decided to teach themselves to fly it . I guess they taxied it faster and faster, then crow hopped it, and then flew it up and down the runway a few times. Shit man sooner or later you have to take it around and make a REAL landing. On the first attempt one of them crashed it and broke his leg in three places. That was the end of their flying days. Correspondence school pilots, haaaaa! I hate to laugh. Sometimes, as adults, we are supposed to feel sympathetic when someone gets hurt... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D   I love it. For some reason, many people who are experts in one field seem to think that that expertise automatically carries-over into all other fields. With shit like diving and flying, it is damned-sure NOT TRUE. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 6:48:32 GMT -8
I gotta tell you this story. I'm not shiting you, when I was a kid I spent more time in and on Tampa Bay, than I did on shore When I was stationed at MacDill, I'd try to get out onto Tampa Bay every other week or so. The USAF had a fleet of those little two-person sailboats (Sun fish - I think they were called). With my vast knowedge of sailing, they were quite literally all I could handle. LOL They sure were fun to go out in, but I dared NOT stray out of the bay. That was ominous enough for THIS MASTER of the sea! lol |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 7:03:58 GMT -8
And another thing... about the danger...
It's all as dangerous as skydiving is. One little mistake and you could blow your lungs. One little mistake and you could get bent. One little mistake is all it takes screw yourself for life (or kill yourself).
You could blow your lungs in a freakin' swimming pool.
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Post by tankcommander on May 20, 2006 7:27:05 GMT -8
Were you around here in 1980 when the USCGC Blackthorn was hit by a tanker, and sank out by the Skyway Bridge? They raised it and towed it into Tampa for the investigation. When it was over, they towed it out in the Gulf and sank it as an artifical reef in 90' of water, I've dove it several times. www.uscg.mil/d8/groups/grugalv/oldsite/blkthorn.htmThey also have a "Tank Reef" about 7 miles off of Clearwater where they dumped a bunch of M-60 tanks, in about 50' of water. It's a pretty cool dive, but it makes me kind of sad to see them down there. Better to die a soldiers death, as a target on a range somewhere, than to get dumped in the Gulf. Shit man, those are the same tanks I served on! Jesus, how long before It's time to dump my ass in the Gulf too? |
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