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Post by Sailor on Mar 25, 2014 3:59:50 GMT -8
Navy security forces kill suspect in sailor's shooting death at Naval Station NorfolkA man fatally shot a U.S. Navy sailor before being shot and killed by responding security forces at Naval Station Norfolk in Virginia late Monday, a base spokeswoman said. Terri Davis says the shooting happened around 11:20 p.m. Monday aboard the USS Mahan, a destroyer. Davis would not describe the circumstances of the shooting but said the scene is secure. Davis says the two killed were both males but she didn't have any other information on them. She could not say if the civilian had permission to be aboard the ship or not. No other injuries were reported. A little more here: www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/25/2-dead-in-shooting-at-us-naval-station-in-norfolk-officials-say/US Navy ships have armed security personnel on watch 24/7, something this shooter may not have been aware of. This comment assumes that the "civilian" came aboard as a guest but with malicious intent like the Navy Yard shooter. "Small boys" like Mahan don't normally carry Marines so security responsibilities fall to the ship's company. Sounds to me like someone did very well. As I write this the investigation is still going on so hopefully we'll be learning more.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 25, 2014 7:23:01 GMT -8
Additional information: The civilian suspected of fatally shooting a sailor aboard a docked destroyer in Virginia late Monday disarmed a petty officer who was on watch and did not use his own weapon, the Navy says. A Navy news release Tuesday said the man approached the USS Mahan late Monday night at Naval Station Norfolk and was confronted by ship security personnel. The Navy said a struggle occurred, and the civilian disarmed the petty officer, and used the weapon to fatally shoot a sailor. The news release added that Navy security forces then killed the suspect. The suspect was a civilian who had access to be at the base, according to base spokeswoman Terri David. She said she couldn't say whether he had permission to be on the USS Mahan, where the male sailor was shot about 11:20 p.m. Monday. No other injuries were reported. More: www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/25/2-dead-in-shooting-at-us-naval-station-in-norfolk-officials-say/?intcmp=latestnews |
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Post by Sailor on Mar 25, 2014 13:27:23 GMT -8
A few more details from last night's shooting. I had a bad feeling earlier, now I'm feeling I might have been right. I'll explain later. First, no names have been released yet but the subject (I refuse to call this asshole a "suspect") used his own passes to get on the base and apparently was not armed, his ID was checked at the base gate and his car and body could have been searched at that point. He also used his pass to get past the sentry at the shore end of Pier #1. He then approached the brow (gangway) of USS Mahan. He was challenged by the Petty Officer of the Watch who he managed to disarm and killed another sailor. It's not crystal clear at the moment who was shot and killed except it was someone else responding to the fight. At this point the subject was shot and killed by other security personnel, I presume by the Officer of the Deck. In my day the OOD was not armed but this apparently changed at some point. Also in my day the POOW, while armed would not be allowed to load and lock but keep his 2 magazines out of the pistol, but stowed on his belt. At this point I don't know if the watchstanders on the pier are armed or not. The only other ship at Pier #1 at the time was the USNS Comfort hospital ship, in caretaker status with skeleton crew. As this crew is all civilian I suspect she is the excuse the subject gave to get onto the pier at nearly midnight, "going to work." This could have been much worse if my "bad feeling" is confirmed. My first thought was someone trying to emulate the shooter at the Washington Navy Yard. If he had gotten past the Quarterdeck Watch, perhaps by killing the OOD and taking his weapon and magazines as well as the POOW's, the subject would have had 2 M-9 Beretta pistols and 4 highcap magazines. Only about 1/3 of Mahan's crew would be aboard (about 100 people) and many of those not on watch would likely be in their racks or getting ready to turn in. Most berthing areas for enlisted aboard a destroyer would be in 30 to 50 bunk compartments (5 or 6 compartments) below the main deck, officers in 2 or 4 "man" staterooms in the Wardroom area. None of the people in the berthing areas would be armed. I have no idea if there are any armed security besides those on the Quarterdeck. In my day the only other armed personnel would be the sentry on watch at the entry to the ASROC magazine if that magazine was open and personnel inside because this is the space where (in destroyers and cruisers at that time) nuclear weapons would be stored or deployed from as depth charges. This sentry would be FORBIDDEN to leave his post FOR ANY REASON including one like this. One other possible source of armed help would be a member of the Master at Arms force (ship's "sheriff") though I do no know how many would be aboard (at least 1 per duty section I would hope) but again, I don't know if this individual would be armed or not. Yeah, I'm thinking this dude might have been a "lone wolf" terrorist like the Navy Yard or Ft Hood shooters. Fortunately Mahan's people proved to not be totally complacent or helpless. See, even sailors can learn (thank God.)  Whoever it was who dropped that son of a bitch deserves a BIG attaboy (or attagirl(?)). A former SEAL I stood watch with in Nassau once told me that if you can keep your head when bullets are flying and respond as you've been trained then you've done your trainers proud as I think this individual has. |
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 25, 2014 17:05:34 GMT -8
It's suspicious when no names are released.
Please keep us advised.
Oh, and to the sailor who killed the murdering bastard, Good shooting!
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Post by Sailor on Mar 26, 2014 6:20:05 GMT -8
No names have been released because of Navy policy to wait until 24 hours after the service member's next of kin are notified. Also, I think NCIS has to sign off on releasing the name of the AIQ (Asshole in Question) since the investigation is on-going.
The AIQ was a truck driver who used a Transportation Safety Administration issued pass to get his 18 wheeler onto the base, parking it near the foot of Pier 1. That same pass got him past the sentry at the Pier gate, the civilians aboard Comfort carry the same passes according to the information released. There was no sentry at the foot of the brow to Mahan, he was challenged on the ship's Quarterdeck by the Petty Officer of the Watch (which is current policy), he disarmed the POOW, shot ANOTHER sailor (perhaps the Messenger of the Watch (unarmed)) and was in turn dropped by another armed sailor who I still think was probably the Officer of the Deck, likely a 1st Class (E6) or Chief Petty Officer (E7).
More informatio as it comes out.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 26, 2014 14:17:29 GMT -8
Proof positive details in early reports are often wrong or misleading - but now we know the name of the heroic young man ... Commander: Sailor killed on Norfolk base was "heroic"Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark Mayo lost his life Monday when he jumped between a gunman and a fellow sailor on board the guided-missile destroyer Mahan, Navy officials said in a news conference this afternoon. Mayo, 24, from Hagerstown, Maryland, had been in the Navy since 2007. He was working for base security on Norfolk Naval Station, where he was assigned since 2011. --- Mayo was killed at 11:20 p.m. Monday when a civilian truck driver, who officials said was not authorized to be on the base, walked up the ramp to the Mahan and disarmed the sentry on the quarterdeck, known as the petty officer of the watch. Mayo jumped in and pushed the sentry out of the line of fire, said Mario Palomino, an agent with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. By doing that, he put himself in harm’s way and was shot, Palomino said. Other security officers then shot the attacker, Palomino said. More: hamptonroads.com/2014/03/commander-sailor-killed-norfolk-base-was-heroicOne detail missing from early reports is that Base Security was present in force on the pier as this was going down. Apparently (I assume) they were responding to the presence of the truck driver, perhaps chasing him down after he entered the base, so my assumptions earlier were wrong. |
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 26, 2014 18:05:52 GMT -8
Oh, for God's sake!
ID the fucking shooter, already.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 27, 2014 2:42:33 GMT -8
It's frustrating, still no name as of this morning ... but ... "Mario Palomino, NCIS's agent in charge, said investigators haven't determined a motive. They don't think the assailant, who Palomino said did not work for the Defense Department, knew anyone on the Mahan. And they don't think the attack was planned. "We have been able to rule out any additional threat to the Navy," Palomino said. "We have ruled out any link to terrorism." hamptonroads.com/2014/03/base-commander-sailor-killed-norfolk-ship-was-heroicSomething ain't adding up. No suspicions raised when the AIQ entered the base but base security was all over the pier when he pulled his krap on Mahan's Quarterdeck? Pull the other one. "No link to terrorism" is a canned response. |
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 27, 2014 6:25:56 GMT -8
"Pull the other one. "No link to terrorism" is a canned response."
Frequently issued when the perp is member of the religion of peace.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 27, 2014 8:42:08 GMT -8
To this day the DOD and DOJ hold the position that Nidal Hassan's "workplace violence" wasn't a terrorist act.
I'm learning more in dribs and drabs but nothing of real value. Since I was so far off the mark about who did what to who in this act I think I'd best hold on my guesses, many of them based on out of date information.
Petty Officer Mayo's photo was featured center page, above the fold on the front page of the local paper and I think deservedly so.
And still no AIQ name as I write this.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 27, 2014 15:15:04 GMT -8
NCIS identifies Mahan shooting suspectThe man believed to have shot and killed a sailor aboard a destroyer on Monday was identified today as Jeffrey Tyrone Savage, a 35-year-old felon who was living in Chesapeake. Savage used his transportation worker credential to drive a semi truck onto Norfolk Naval Station on Monday night and used the same card to walk through another security checkpoint at Pier 1, where he boarded the guided missile destroyer Mahan. hamptonroads.com/2014/03/chesapeake-man-identified-navy-base-shooterSavage has a record, convictions for sale of narcotics (cocaine) and manslaughter, both long enough ago that apparently the TSA approved him anyway. He served about 1 year on the manslaughter charge, I don't know what the penalty on the sale charge was. I am so pissed over this that I think even 101 would ban me if I voiced what I'm thinking and feeling about the matter right now. **** From the article: "Savage had been in and out of jail over the years, according to court records. He pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter in 2008 in connection with the 2005 death of a 30-year-old man in Charlotte, N.C. He and the victim, Maurice Griffin, were riding in a car and began struggling over a gun, said a spokesman with the N.C. Department of Public Safety. The gun fired and the victim was eventually left on the side of the road, where he died. Savage fled to his home in Portsmouth, where he was later arrested and returned to North Carolina. Savage was released on those charges in 2009, according to the North Carolina Department of Public Safety. Prior to that, Savage served five years in federal prison in Maryland for selling cocaine." **** Heads at TSA and in the Navy need to roll. TSA for vetting this asshole and Navy for accepting their fucked up judgement. On active duty I had been involved in the vetting of personnel for security clearances and various programs and area accesses. This shitbird would NEVER EVER gotten clearance to blow his nose or look at a Navy installation let alone come and go as he obviously could.
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 27, 2014 15:21:59 GMT -8
Calling him a POS is an insult to fecal matter everywhere.
I guess no one wanted to be considered racist for denying a felon clearance.
PC is going to kill us all.
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Post by Sailor on Mar 27, 2014 18:04:32 GMT -8
Amen bro. I have to wonder what the M.E. tox screen is going to show in his blood, or if he left any writings to indicate why the hell he did what he did. He was certainly an antisocial type as his history shows, did he simply go off the rails entirely?
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 28, 2014 7:56:47 GMT -8
At least the asshole won't be sustained for the next 20 years at taxpayer expense.
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Whoever it was who dropped that son of a bitch deserves a BIG attaboy (or attagirl(?)). A former SEAL I stood watch with in Nassau once told me that if you can keep your head when bullets are flying and respond as you've been trained then you've done your trainers proud as I think this individual has.
