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Post by Sailor on Jan 16, 2015 17:36:28 GMT -8
But ... Scientists balk at ‘hottest year’ claims: Ignores Satellites showing 18 Year ‘Pause’ – ‘We are arguing over the significance of hundredths of a degree’ – The ‘Pause’ continuesClimate Depot's Marc Morano: 'Claiming 2014 is the 'hottest year' on record based on hundredths of a degree temperature difference is a fancy way of saying the global warming 'pause' is continuing.' Astrophysicist Dr. Dr David Whitehouse: 'The NASA press release is highly misleading...talk of a record is scientifically and statistically meaningless.' Climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer: ‘Why 2014 Won’t Be the Warmest Year on Record’ (based on surface data)– ‘We are arguing over the significance of hundredths of a degree’ Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels debunks 2014 ‘hottest year’ claim: ‘Is 58.46° then distinguishable from 58.45°? In a word, ‘NO.’ This is more a gathering of links than an actual article at first: www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/16/scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues/ |
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EXACTLY what NASA said...
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Post by EXACTLY what NASA said... on Jan 17, 2015 6:36:53 GMT -8
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 17, 2015 6:41:15 GMT -8
"Both the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA calculated that in 2014 the world had its hottest year in 135 years of record-keeping. Earlier, the Japanese weather agency and an independent group out of University of California Berkeley also measured 2014 as the hottest on record. NOAA said 2014 averaged 58.24 degrees Fahrenheit (14.58 degrees Celsius), 1.24 degrees (0.69 degrees Celsius) above the 20th-century average.
But NASA, which calculates temperatures slightly differently, put 2014's average temperature at 58.42 degrees Fahrenheit (14.68 degrees Celsius) which is 1.22 degrees (0.68 degrees Celsius) above the average of the years 1951-1980.Earth broke NOAA records set in 2010 and 2005. The last time the Earth set an annual NOAA record for cold was in 1911. NOAA also said last month was the hottest December on record. Six months in 2014 set marks for heat. The last time Earth set a monthly cold record was in December 1916." "The globe is warmer now than it has been in the last 100 years and more likely in at least 5,000 years," said climate scientist Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University, who wasn't part of either research team. "Any wisps of doubt that human activities are at fault are now gone with the wind." P.S. "Guest" was me, of course. ....And I posted an interesting article on the subject, if you'd like to read it. news.yahoo.com/heat-noaa-nasa-2014-warmest-record-153323365.html...and the majority of the world's scientists, international scientific organizations, and world governments agree.
When they don't agree, I won't either.
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Post by 101ABN on Jan 17, 2015 14:06:34 GMT -8
The science is settled...  |
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 17, 2015 14:33:56 GMT -8
Yes, it is.
I've posted it for YEARS.
I've posted hundreds (yes, HUNDREDS, via websites) of articles from scientists, world renowned scientific organizations, and also government policies that were based on the conclusions of these scientists and organizations. .
All I get back is ridicule and disagreement based on MORE ridicule and disagreement.
I would dearly love to know WHY.
I can quote NASA, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, NOAA, and the NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE.
What the hell is it about global warming that seems to make it IMPOSSIBLE for you to accept the facts?
Who the hell WOULD you believe?
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Post by 101ABN on Jan 17, 2015 15:12:49 GMT -8
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 17, 2015 15:20:40 GMT -8
Sorry, but the "mythology" is NOT what I am talking about. The SCIENCE is what I'm talking about. And I have NEVER said that the earth "has a thermostat that we can control with carbon credits". climate.nasa.gov/evidence/The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years. Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate. The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response. Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of years, not in millions or even thousands. Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century. Global temperature rise All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years.6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase. Warming oceans The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969. Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet Shrinking ice sheets The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005. Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.10 Extreme events The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events. Ocean acidification Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.12,13 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.14,15 Decreased snow cover Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier. References There's more. MUCH more.
More to these articles, more of these articles, more sources, and governemts around the world sending billions to deal with these facts based on knowledged from scientists and world-renowned scientific organizations that have forgotten more than you and I put together know about the climate. Care to deny it? And if so, WHY?And WHO and WHAT WOULD you believe?
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Post by 101ABN on Jan 17, 2015 15:52:37 GMT -8
Caused by an increase of a whopping 100 parts PER MILLION in atmospheric CO2!
Meanwhile,California is hell-bent on destroying its economy through carbon-tax indulgences.
"Settled science" once declared the earth to be the center of the universe.
"The sky is falling!" ~ C. Little
Sorry, I'm not buying.
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 17, 2015 16:05:41 GMT -8
Then don't.
There are extremists on either side. I refuse to listen to any of them.
Chicken Little needs to update his resume.
I am quoting the most reputable climate scientists and scientific organizations in the world, not talking about "carbon footprints", something I have NEVER brought up.
I'll continue to side with what the majority of scientists and the reputable international scientific organizations have said about climate change, as well as the governments of some of the world's most powerful nations, who have spent billions in response to what that majority of scientists and the reputable scientific organizations have said about climate change, and realize that the questions need to be answered.
And I repeat, for a third time, since the question has not been answered:
Who and what would it take to convince you to accept the conclusions of the climate scientists, the most reputable international scientific organizations, and the governments around the world, who, for years, have spent billions of dollars on global warming and climate change policies based on the opinions and conclusions of those same scientists, and the scientific organizations that those scientists are members of?
A better cartoon, perhaps?
Or more ridicule?
Do as you will.
The problem is not going anywhere.
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Post by Sailor on Jan 18, 2015 8:45:06 GMT -8
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 18, 2015 10:37:44 GMT -8
Actually, they have ALREADY taken a pounding, especially New York. (I was stationed up there once, at Griffiss AFB, so I keep an eye on that region.) But again, it's not regional warming. It's global warming. The entire United States only covers about 3% of the entire earth's surface. |
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Post by Sailor on Jan 18, 2015 14:57:51 GMT -8
Nasa climate scientists: We said 2014 was the warmest year on record... but we're only 38% sure we were right The Nasa climate scientists who claimed 2014 set a new record for global warmth last night admitted they were only 38 per cent sure this was true. In a press release on Friday, Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) claimed its analysis of world temperatures showed ‘2014 was the warmest year on record’. The claim made headlines around the world, but yesterday it emerged that GISS’s analysis – based on readings from more than 3,000 measuring stations worldwide – is subject to a margin of error. Nasa admits this means it is far from certain that 2014 set a record at all. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915061/Nasa-climate-scientists-said-2014-warmest-year-record-38-sure-right.html#ixzz3PDRUxdmq The difference between "hottest years on record" is only about 0.02 degree (2/100 degree). How large is the "margin of error" in the calculations? 0.1 degree (1/10 degree.) In other words the margin of error is 5 times that of the claimed increase. Give me a f*cking break. This claim is garbage.
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Post by warrior1972 on Jan 18, 2015 17:35:35 GMT -8
news.yahoo.com/heat-noaa-nasa-2014-warmest-record-153323365.html"Both the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA calculated that in 2014 the world had its hottest year in 135 years of record-keeping. Earlier, the Japanese weather agency (Japanese Meteorlogical Agency) and an independent group out of University of California Berkeley also measured 2014 as the hottest on record. NOAA said 2014 averaged 58.24 degrees Fahrenheit (14.58 degrees Celsius), 1.24 degrees (0.69 degrees Celsius) above the 20th-century average. But NASA, which calculates temperatures slightly differently, put 2014's average temperature at 58.42 degrees Fahrenheit (14.68 degrees Celsius) which is 1.22 degrees (0.68 degrees Celsius) above the average of the years 1951-1980. Earth broke NOAA records set in 2010 and 2005. The last time the Earth set an annual NOAA record for cold was in 1911. NOAA also said last month was the hottest December on record. Six months in 2014 set marks for heat. The last time Earth set a monthly cold record was in December 1916."
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