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Post by Sailor on Sept 15, 2015 15:56:27 GMT -8
Enjoy bro.
Not a Redtail I grant you, but still ...
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Post by 101ABN on Sept 15, 2015 22:00:59 GMT -8
Now THAT's badass!
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Post by Sailor on Sept 16, 2015 12:13:31 GMT -8
No kidding 101, 6 50cal HMGs will get nearly anyones attention. I think their target was kind of close though, IIRC the fire of all 6 weapons is supposed to converge at an aim point though I don't know how far.
Beautiful bird. I've always liked the P-51's lines.
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Post by 101ABN on Sept 17, 2015 6:28:46 GMT -8
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Post by Sailor on Sept 17, 2015 7:56:07 GMT -8
Thanks 101.
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Post by warrior1972 on Sept 19, 2015 16:14:56 GMT -8
Sorry I'm late. The P-51 was definitely a badass machine by ANYBODY'S STANDARD, ESPECIALLY an engineer. (problably the ultimate engineering evolution of the Prop Fighter, and I say that wirh respect to the other superb fighter planes, ON BOTH SIDES, during World War II. Excuse me, but the other guys made some badass machines, too. ) God, LOOKING at it, even the flaps covering the landing gear, shows the line of a superior pedigree. And the .50 cal. was probably the ultimate heavy machine gun, a perfect balance of light weight, endurace, and firepower. DAMN, we made some fine machines. ( COROLLARY TO WHAT I POSTED EARLIER ABOUT THE ESSEX-CLASS, IOWA CLASS, BALTIMORE CLASS, AND FLETCHER CLASS.) And now, a question... WHERE DID THE F-35 COME FROM?
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Post by 101ABN on Sept 19, 2015 16:41:51 GMT -8
And now, a question... WHERE DID THE F-35 COME FROM?
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Post by tankcommander on Sept 20, 2015 7:21:54 GMT -8
And the .50 cal. was probably the ultimate heavy machine gun, a perfect balance of light weight, endurace, and firepower. Sitting in the drivers compartment of a tank you are below, and just a few feet in front of the muzzle of the TC's .50 Cal. There is something about the sound frequency of that gun that really pops your eardrums. It's actually painful if you have the hatch open, and don't have your CVC helmet on. On the F-35..... I've read that some test pilots say it's bad in a dogfight, and they regularly got their tails waxed By F-16s. I guess the line from the experts is that the vast majority of modern air combat will be BVR..... These experts are probably the grandsons of the guys who said the F-4 didn't need a gun. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Sept 20, 2015 7:56:24 GMT -8
And the .50 cal. was probably the ultimate heavy machine gun, a perfect balance of light weight, endurace, and firepower. Sitting in the drivers compartment of a tank you are below, and just a few feet in front of the muzzle of the TC's .50 Cal. There is something about the sound frequency of that gun that really pops your eardrums. It's actually painful if you have the hatch open, and don't have your CVC helmet on. On the F-35..... I've read that some test pilots say it's bad in a dogfight, and they regularly got their tails waxed By F-16s. I guess the line from the experts is that the vast majority of modern air combat will be BVR..... These experts are probably the grandsons of the guys who said the F-4 didn't need a gun. Yeah.... I remember the F-4 "experts", and how the MIGs DID have a gun, and how that turned out.  Those grandsons would do well to remember that a fighter needs to be able to fight. |
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Post by Sailor on Sept 20, 2015 9:12:37 GMT -8
Yeah.... I remember the F-4 "experts", and how the MIGs DID have agun, and how that turned out. Those grandsons would do well to remember that a fighter needs to be able to fight. And when the Brits began building the F-4 under licence they made certain to have a gun (20mm Gatling IIRC) aboard somewhere as did the Israelis and (eventually) our own USAF in the F-4E. Not certain but I think the F-4J (Navy) had one (also eventually.) Some hard learned lessons just have to be learned all over again. While nearly every fighter the US turned out after the Phantom had an integral gun (including F-22) I think someone forgot those lessons when they drew up the requirements for the F-35. |
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Post by Sailor on Sept 20, 2015 9:36:56 GMT -8
And the .50 cal. was probably the ultimate heavy machine gun, a perfect balance of light weight, endurace, and firepower. Sitting in the drivers compartment of a tank you are below, and just a few feet in front of the muzzle of the TC's .50 Cal. There is something about the sound frequency of that gun that really pops your eardrums. It's actually painful if you have the hatch open, and don't have your CVC helmet on. When I was in Caron we had .50s mounted on both bridge wings and both stern quarters for close in defense. When they practiced with the bridge .50s we could hear them loud and clear from inside my work space despite the sound deadening and temperature insulation and our being about 50 feet away. Needless to say, everyone on the bridge and above on the signal bridge needed double hearing protection (earplugs and Mickey Mouse Ears.) The power of the things doesn't surprise me at all when you consider the prototype for the .50 BMG round was originally intended as an anti-armor round. I've been hearing the same, "BVR" is the Holy Grail for many in the fighter community and "dogfighting" is "old fashioned and can't happen again." Bullshit. Even if the engagement takes place "BVR," the fighter needs to be able to manuver well to dodge the incoming missiles even if the countermeasures work and especially if they don't. |
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