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Post by mateo on Mar 12, 2005 9:24:54 GMT -8
I do not support capital punishment. Our judicial system is not infallable, and if just one innocent person is put to death, or just one person on death row is found innocent and exonerated, then the death penalty must be abolished, or at the very least, a national moratorium must be enacted.
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Post by americanpride on Mar 12, 2005 10:10:18 GMT -8
I do not support capital punishment. Our judicial system is not infallable, and if just one innocent person is put to death, or just one person on death row is found innocent and exonerated, then the death penalty must be abolished, or at the very least, a national moratorium must be enacted. I disagree. I do beleive in such circumstances the proper methods should be pursued on a case by case basis. The innocence of one individual does not erase the guilt of another. |
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Post by mateo on Mar 12, 2005 11:43:20 GMT -8
I disagree. I do beleive in such circumstances the proper methods should be pursued on a case by case basis. The innocence of one individual does not erase the guilt of another. So you're willing to let innocent people sit on death row and face death? No, the innocence of one does not erase the guilt of another. that has nothing to do with the death penalty. I'd if someone is sentenced to death for a crime they are innocent of, then that is a crime against humanity. I'd rather get life in prison for a crime I did not commit than face the death penalty. Execution is amoral and should be abolished. Perhaps you have some bloodlust, but I'm right on this one. |
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Post by americanpride on Mar 12, 2005 11:52:35 GMT -8
So you're willing to let innocent people sit on death row and face death? No, the innocence of one does not erase the guilt of another. that has nothing to do with the death penalty. I'd if someone is sentenced to death for a crime they are innocent of, then that is a crime against humanity. I'd rather get life in prison for a crime I did not commit than face the death penalty. Execution is amoral and should be abolished. Perhaps you have some bloodlust, but I'm right on this one. Sir, let us not jump to absurd judgements of one another's character, nor of our own. Indeed, it is an affront to our National foundations to execute an individual who has committed no crime. Hence the necessity for careful deliberate action in illustrating the guilt of the condemned. But sir let us not be rash in abolishing the only viable and logical punishment for such horrendous crimes because one individual may have been wrongly convincted. Let us invest more energy into the illustration of guilt or innocence. Are we to forgo the punishment of the condemened because our justice system is able to correct itself in regards to those who are indeed innocent? Is the guilty man any more worthy of life because another man has been proven to be innocent? |
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Post by mateo on Mar 12, 2005 13:01:46 GMT -8
Your idea is not realistic. Human nature corrupts the justice system, and with so many people transiting through the courts of America on their way to prison, there are too many uncertainties to allow the death penalty. It's sickening enough that innocent people go to jail. To put them to death is an affront to God.
And please don't call me "Sir". I work for a living.
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Post by americanpride on Mar 12, 2005 14:10:48 GMT -8
Indeed, but that is the beauty of the human spirit, and of American values - we are not satisfied with anything less than perfection. It is my earnest hope that this value will remain strong for centuries to come.
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Post by mateo on Mar 12, 2005 15:02:05 GMT -8
we are not satisfied with anything less than perfection. It's imperfection that makes us human. What is perfection? How can you define perfection? It's all subjective. Your perfeciton is another man's failure. |
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Post by Sailor on Mar 12, 2005 23:03:12 GMT -8
Mateo, let me ask you seriously.
What about the death penalty for a multiple murderer for whose guilt there is no doubt whatsoever?
A case in point is the incident in Atlanta GA where the individual in question was able to take a gun from a Deputy and opened fire. He faces 3 Capital Murder charges for the deaths of a Judge, clerk (and officer of the court) and a Deputy Sheriff. There is also a possible 4th Capital charge over the death of an Immigration officer.
I doubt his attorney will be able to plea bargain well enough on all 3 counts to keep him off Death Row.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Mar 13, 2005 2:06:35 GMT -8
I do not support capital punishment. Our judicial system is not infallable, and if just one innocent person is put to death, or just one person on death row is found innocent and exonerated, then the death penalty must be abolished, or at the very least, a national moratorium must be enacted. Here's a senerio for you, Say you had a man on death row, had his sentence commuted to life, was believed to have reformed and was released only to kill again within a year. This is a situation witch has happened far more times than we'd like to believe. And the result is a certain loss of innocent life that could have been prevented if we just followed through on a death penalty conviction. The Death penalty is the one guarantee that a killer won't go out and kill again. You can argue the margin of error, but as you've stated it's a system set up by man so there will always be a margin of error no matter the system. |
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Post by mateo on Mar 13, 2005 7:36:12 GMT -8
I think everyone's missing my point here. I'm not against the death penalty because I care about the life of a serial killer. I'm against the death penalty because there is a margin for error. This guy who killed these three or four people really is not the norm. few cases are as cut and dry. Take Scott Peterson for example. I don't know what the jury was presented with the court room, but based on the evidence I saw from news reports and whatnot, I would have been hard pressed to even convict him, letalone recommend the death penalty. Is he a scumbag? Yes. Should he get his ass kicked. Yes. Unfortunately, being a scumbag is not a crime. I'm pulling for the innocent victims of the corrupt justice system, not the real criminals.
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