California to allow gay marriage

[dustdevil28]

Back around 2000 over 60% of Californians voted to define marriage as between a man and a woman. Some may remember that in 2004 the mayor of San Fransico blantenly violated this state law by ordering that marriage liscenses be issued to same-sex couples. The man should have been removed from his office for this but I digress.

Today a court in San Fransico has told 60% of voters in California that their values and their morals don't amount to anything. Today they ruled the California state law unconstitutional. The decision is expected to be appealed to the state supreme court.

To all who said bad things of Bush's proposed amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman I use this as a example. In every state that gay marriage has been put to a vote, none has voted to recognise it. Mass. and Cal. now are two states that have gone to courts to force the issue out of the hands of the state citizens.

I for one hope that California's state court does the right thing and overturns yet another San Fransico court ruling here.

[101ABN]

Looks like there are still two levels of appeal left.

Here's a link to the Comcast story.

www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2005/03/15/81452.html

At some point we the people are going to have to take action against legislation from the bench.

Once again, the Framers spin in their graves.

[americanpride]

The matter in the balance here is no less than our National survival! Yet we sit here idle as the malevolent forces of corruption, disguising themselves as progressive, manipulate and rape our Nation for the seeds of their self-glorified sexual satisfaction. We are tempted by our natural inclinations to do nothing, but at what cost? They cry for tolerance and acceptance, but is tolerance so esteemable and acceptance so valuable as to be purchased at the cost of our National dignity, the abandonment of our hopes and values, and the survival of our Country?

[dustdevil28]

101ABN said:

Looks like there are still two levels of appeal left.

Here's a link to the Comcast story.

www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2005/03/15/81452.html

At some point we the people are going to have to take action against legislation from the bench.

Once again, the Framers spin in their graves.

Thanks for the link 101, I read about this first on CNN.com

Both websites site the judges quote that there is no rational reason to not allow for same-sex unions. By that rational we should be able to allow polygomy than, Afterall, it's consenting adults and we should accept their decision.

Both website also site the judges referances to supposed simalarities between same-sex marriage today and segregation back in the 60's. These two are incomparable, same-sex marriage is not a civil right.

Like I said before, hopefully they (the appeals court) overturn yet another San Fransico ruling.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

The matter in the balance here is no less than our National survival! Yet we sit here idle as the malevolent forces of corruption, disguising themselves as progressive, manipulate and rape our Nation for the seeds of their self-glorified sexual satisfaction. We are tempted by our natural inclinations to do nothing, but at what cost? They cry for tolerance and acceptance, but is tolerance so esteemable and acceptance so valuable as to be purchased at the cost of our National dignity, the abandonment of our hopes and values, and the survival of our Country?

AP, I've always paid attention to this issue as I find it to be very important, but I don't find it essential to our national survival.

They do cry tolerance and acceptance, and if it's not offered they'll take it by force. Any dissenting views will be squashed and kept from being heard, but the will cry about being kept down.

I can't say I have too much simpathy for the people that brought this lawsuit up.

[americanpride]

battleborn said:

AP, I've always paid attention to this issue as I find it to be very important, but I don't find it essential to our national survival.

They do cry tolerance and acceptance, and if it's not offered they'll take it by force. Any dissenting views will be squashed and kept from being heard, but the will cry about being kept down.

I can't say I have too much simpathy for the people that brought this lawsuit up.

Indeed, at this moment, it may not appear to any casual observor to be a matter of any importance beyond local politics - yet, the question must be asked, where will it stop? When Christianity is finally expunged from this country? There exists underneath this latest act a burning hatred of all that is Christian - of all that is American! - and the insidious forces at work will stop at nothing until our values have been usurped by their own.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

Indeed, at this moment, it may not appear to any casual observor to be a matter of any importance beyond local politics - yet, the question must be asked, where will it stop? When Christianity is finally expunged from this country? There exists underneath this latest act a burning hatred of all that is Christian - of all that is American! - and the insidious forces at work will stop at nothing until our values have been usurped by their own.

While I agree that they exist, I beleive they are a extreme minority and will win few battles outside of San Fransico.

[americanpride]

battleborn said:

While I agree that they exist, I beleive they are a extreme minority and will win few battles outside of San Fransico.

With the impenetrable disguises of equality and tolerance, no power can resist their magic.

[101ABN]

battleborn said:

Thanks for the link 101, I read about this first on CNN.com

Both websites site the judges quote that there is no rational reason to not allow for same-sex unions. By that rational we should be able to allow polygomy than, Afterall, it's consenting adults and we should accept their decision.

Both website also site the judges referances to supposed simalarities between same-sex marriage today and segregation back in the 60's. These two are incomparable, same-sex marriage is not a civil right.

Like I said before, hopefully they (the appeals court) overturn yet another San Fransico ruling.

Speaking of which, I have yet to hear anyone make a rational argument for why same-sex marriage should be permitted. (How do you ban something that has never existed?)

The argument is to change the rules that have served human society for millenia for the sake of indulging a small but outspoken minority but tell me. please, where is the compelling argument to do so? Because a few people think it's a good idea?

No rational argument not to do something is not a rational argument for doing it.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

With the impenetrable disguises of equality and tolerance, no power can resist their magic.

Magic? maybe deception. Plus most see their ideas of equality anything but equal, and tolerance alright as long as it's in agreement with them.

Most people can see this.

[americanpride]

battleborn said:

Most people can see this.

I would be careful to misplace so much of my faith in others.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

I would be careful to misplace so much of my faith in others.

I have no doubt that voices will rise up over this. 60% of Californians voted against gay marriage in 2000.

One must have faith that people will resist the forced acceptance of what is immoral.

[americanpride]

battleborn said:

I have no doubt that voices will rise up over this. 60% of Californians voted against gay marriage in 2000.

One must have faith that people will resist the forced acceptance of what is immoral.

I am not so inclined. History is stacked full of examples of peoples selling themselves into servitude, tyranny, and bondage due to their own lack of interest and virtue.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

I am not so inclined. History is stacked full of examples of peoples selling themselves into servitude, tyranny, and bondage due to their own lack of interest and virtue.

While California is not my home state, I did live in San Diego for 2 years and remember a lot of great people who live there and I know they'll be doing their part to protect thier state.

I'm unsure of the status of my state though (Nevada). We've voted on gay marriage twice now so as I understand this it's a official law that the state will not recognise gay marriage at all. Shoud these despots bring their fight to my state they'll find plenty standing in their way.

Back when I was still in school I can vividly remember one sunday in church where it was brought up that a group of individuals had tried to get same-sex legalised without a vote. Their argument was that not enough of the registired voters would want to vote. So the church asked for peoples assistance in petioning voters to see if they wanted this put to a vote. The signatures we gotten and verified, and gay marriage was soundly defeated.

I have faith because I've seen these people in action, they refuse to stand by. I expect the Californians to do much of the same.