Subject: Jane Fonda to be honored

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Subject: Jane Fonda to be honored


A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED:

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOU LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!.......

[dug]

She really was a traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.



Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."

BY BARBARA WALTERS



Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.




The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot



The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.



In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."



Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.



He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.



In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.



From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.



When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.



Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.



I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.



I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodia border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)




We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."



When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.



I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."



Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.



I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.



These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.



There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343



PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE

[101ABN]

Dug,

I've seen several of these that have been debunked as "urban legends."

Whether otr not it actaully happened the stuff she did do was bad enough.

She's certainly not desreving of any honor besides this one

[101ABN]

Yeah, Dug... Old news and an Urban Legend to boot, Dammit!

www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

[dug]

Thanks,

I got this in the email from one of my Kung fu brothers. The idea that she'd get any kind of an honor besides a cell in a Federal Pen just pissed me off.

[101ABN]

If it's any consolation, she's still a world class asshole.

There's a good market for her image on urinal cakes among the VN vet community.

[tits]

Maybe we should modify one to read the name of Buzzramjet and post it on THC.

Hey guys what do you think of the congressman (USMC Col ret.) speaking about coming home. I agreed with him but questioned what we should do to help prevent the brewing civil war. Seek the UN to provide policing action? That would just send the troops back and this time under some French or foreign leadership. (No Thanks).

Guys this reminds me of the question I posted so many times on THC back in 2002/03. What is the end game? The absence of an end game is the only reason I went to Vietnam. What is the end game, the December vote?

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admin said:

If it's any consolation, she's still a world class asshole.

There's a good market for her image on urinal cakes among the VN vet community.

Hey, I'd buy one! Even though I wasn't in Vietnam.

I was in the 5th Army 75th Division, 72 - 74

[cameron]

tits said:

Maybe we should modify one to read the name of Buzzramjet and post it on THC.

Hey guys what do you think of the congressman (USMC Col ret.) speaking about coming home. I agreed with him but questioned what we should do to help prevent the brewing civil war. Seek the UN to provide policing action? That would just send the troops back and this time under some French or foreign leadership. (No Thanks).

Guys this reminds me of the question I posted so many times on THC back in 2002/03. What is the end game? The absence of an end game is the only reason I went to Vietnam. What is the end game, the December vote?

Well thank you for asking the $64,000 dollar question in short no it is not the end game but part of the overall strategy that is the end game. Going on a walk to consider how best to answer your question. Despite much of what you may have gleamed when all is said and done, it's going extremly well for us, no fooling.

OK first you should read this The River War by Wretchard of the Belmont Club

Belmont Club

The River War

The Fallujah battle, which is just winding down, should be seen in the context a wider campaign against the enemy in the Sunni triangle. To properly understand the goals of that campaign, we should first put ourselves in the shoes of the enemy. The Command Post reproduces an extensive extract of a press statement by a former Republican Guard general who now styles himself as a spokesman for the 'resistance'. Although it is probably puffed up for propaganda purposes, it contains a degree of plausibility from which we can infer the outlines of their strategy.

We are very satisfied indeed concerning the reality of the resistance and its results on the terrain. The Resistance in fact has become an every day popular state no one can ignore. We can speak about the Resistance in two terms: First in Iraqi terms: the Resistance has spread its complete control over a great number of Iraqi towns. What is happening in Fallujah, Samaraa, Qaem, Baaquba, Hawijah, Tallafar, Heet, Saqlawyia, Ramadi, Anah, Rawa, Haditha, Balad, Beiji, Bahraz, Baladruz, and other cities and towns of Iraq, confirm perfectly this reality. The Resistance also controls totally some areas in Baghdad and its suburbs such as Yusufya, Latifya, Abu Ghraib, and Mahmudya, which shows the political and the security impasse encountered by the Occupiers and their agents. Here we have to mention the widespread popular cover the Resistance enjoys in these areas and elsewhere, rendering all Iraqi resistance fighters in the confrontation moments with the enemy.

... After this rapid and summary lecture of the Iraqi resistance reality, I can say that we are very confident about the future. What we planned before the Occupation is being achieved on the terrain in a good way. This shows the correct political and military Iraqi leadership long-term vision, when it planned the Resistance and started its fire. There is a unified military leadership, which leads the operations in the terrain in every town of Iraq. This leadership includes the best officers of the Iraqi Army, the Republican Guard, Saddam’s Fidayyins, and the Security and Intelligence services. What is happening in the Provinces of al Anbar, Diyala, Mosul, and Salah el Din, Babel and elsewhere is a bright sign of what I am telling you.

There are two factual nuggets in this screed. First, it gives us a map of the the towns which the enemy considers its bastions. Second, it hints of a fallback plan conceived before the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, a subject earlier discussed in War Plan Orange. By plotting the enemy strongholds on the map it is at once evident that they are coextensive with two pathways The first goes northward along the Euphrates from western Baghdad, Fallujah, Ramadi, Hadithah, Anah and Qusabayah -- along the river and road from Baghdad to the Syrian border. The omission of Qusabayah from mention is very peculiar, since it has been the scene of battalion sized battles between infiltrators and Marines guarding the Syrian frontier since the earliest post-OIF days, but I include it here on that account. The second set of towns goes northeast along the Tigris towards Tikrit and parts of Kurdistan: Hawijah, Balad and Samarra. A spur runs off toward the Iranian border: Baqubah and Baladruz, on the road to the Iran. It is hard not to think that we are looking at their lines of communication.

The towns along these pathways are probably waystations where men and weapons can be smuggled by stages, a kind of Sunni Ho Chi Minh Trail. My own guess is they are probably superimposed on traditional smuggling routes from Syria and Iran which have now been converted to serve the enemy cause. I caution the reader that this is guesswork, but I think it is correct. The discovery of carbomb factories in Fallujah suggests that town was the easternmost terminus of a finger that extended straight from the Syrian border, a final launching pad where enemy delivery systems were "bombed up" for their sorties at US targets in the city or as convoys made their way along the highways west of Baghdad.

Taking Fallujah then, was not merely a symbolic political act to reduce a 'symbol of defiance', but a sound operational move. It interdicts the conveyor belt of destruction that flowed from the Syrian border towards Baghdad. The logical next step is to cut the line again near the Syrian border, perhaps at Anah, so that by taking out both ends the middle is left unsupported. Alternatively, the US could roll up the enemy line of communication going north by taking out Ramadi which would force the enemy to sortie from Haditha, a little ville a lot farther from Baghdad. Although this will not totally destroy the insurgency, it will throttle movement along their lines of communication considerably. Guerilla warfare, like all warfare, is logistics. It just takes different forms.

Now read Bill Roggio's Anbar Campaign, a perfect description of us in fact rolling up the enemies logistical lines


The Fourth Rail
August 04, 2005
The Anbar Campaign
By Bill Roggio

The series of operations being conducted in the Anbar province along the Euphrates River must be looked upon not as isolated operations, but part of an overall campaign to wrest the Anbar province from the insurgency and al Qaeda. During a Department of Defense press briefing, General Ham alludes to the existence of the Anbar Campaign. Wretchard astutely picks up General Ham’s cue during a line of questioning on the violence in Haditha.

Reporter: Can you describe like how many forces, what the -- I mean, is this a -- I mean, I understand Operation Sword had been going on and that was completed. I mean, is there a name for this operation? Are there -- is this, you know, running from, you know, Hadithah all the way out to the border? You have a large operation that's going on right now, and can you tell us how many troops are involved?

GEN. HAM: I don't know in their entirety. It's about a battalion strength from Multinational Force Northwest that is assisting in this effort, and they have -- I'm trying to -- at least a battalion strength of Iraqi army with them.

Reporter: This is just in the Hadithah corridor area, or is this going all the way out to the border?

GEN. HAM: This is all the way out to the border.’”

As I stated in June, the series of operations is part of the overall plan to conquer the untamed regions of Iraq that serve as the home of the insurgency and al Qaeda.

The military and political advances since the January election cannot be viewed in isolation, but must be viewed as part of the overall plan to push through the Sunni Triangle and the restive Anbar province and pacify it, either through negotiation or military action. Military operations in Qaim, Haditha, Mosul, Tal Afar and various other towns and cities in the untamed areas of Western Iraq have demonstrated the capacity of Coalition forces to execute large scale missions in areas thought to be untouchable. The insurgency has experienced the unpleasantness of direct military confrontation with US forces, and knows the closest they can come to success is IED or hit-and-run attacks that will not alter the situation on the ground.

The evidence supports the existence of the Anbar Campaign, which technically can be traced back to the assault on Fallujah last November, but did not increase in its intensity until the inception of Operation River Blitz.

Look at the following map and list of major combat operations. Note the increase in tempo in operations, particularly in May with the start of Operation Matador. Matador is immediate followed by Squeeze Play, which occurs in conjunction with New Market and Thunder/Lightning. In mid June, Veterans Forward commences in Tal Afar, which occurs in conjunction with Spear, Dagger and Sword, and immediately followed by Scimitar, Rawah in early/mid July, and Operation Quick Strike at the beginning of August. Each of these operations consist of battalion sized forces or greater, and often were accompanied by Iraqi forces.[/b]



This is a flash animation of the Anbar Campaign thru Oct. Search and Destroy missions in Red conducted mostly by Americans, Hold and Clear missions in Blue conducted mostly by Iraqis


The Fourth Rail: The Anbar Campaign - A Flash Presentation


From Anthony Cordesman

"This (assault) is part of a pattern of offensives to deny the insurgents sanctuary along the Euphrates River to match ongoing operations along the Tigris" ... Cordesman said the coalition's goals in the Euphrates valley are to make harder for foreign insurgents to infiltrate from Syria and find "stable sanctuary'' in the region. Another aim is to put pressure on Sunnis to join the political process, he said. "The political and military effects will play out over months, not days,''

So far the political and security progress in Iraq is being accomplished in a very timely fashion. However even though I am no great fan of McCains when he is right he's right. This is why setting a date specific would be a reckless thing for us to do.


U.S. Senator John McCain

“Reading through each version, one gets the sense that the Senate’s foremost objective is the drawdown of American troops. But America’s first goal in Iraq is not to withdraw troops, it is to win the war. All other policy decisions we make should support, and be subordinate to, the successful completion of our mission. If that means we can draw down troop levels and win in Iraq in 2006, that is wonderful. But if success requires an increase in American troop levels in 2006, then we should increase our numbers there.

“But that’s not what these amendments suggest. They signal that withdrawal, not victory, is foremost in Congress’ mind, and suggest that we are more interested in exit than victory. Mr. President, a date is not an exit strategy. This only encourages our enemies, by indicating that the end to American intervention is near, and alienates our friends, who fear an insurgent victory. Instead, both our friends and our enemies need to hear one message: America is committed to success in Iraq and we will win this war.

Now with that said what should troop levels be?


The Fourth Rail: Troops Numbers – Top Up, Draw Down, Overlap and FOB Closings
Troops Numbers – Top Up, Draw Down, Overlap and FOB Closings
By Bill Roggio

(Note from Bill Roggio: This post was written by Soldier's Dad, who has been a valuable source of information on U.S. troop deployments in Iraq.)

By now, the entire world is confused about U.S. troop levels in Iraq. Senator Kerry says less troops, Sen McCain says more troops. Gen Casey says some reductions are probable. All three are telling the truth in a sort of political double-speak sort of way.

The deployment for Operation Iraqi Freedom Phase III (OIF III) had 17 Brigades + 3 division headquarters. The US troop allocations were as follows

North West – 1 Brigade North Central – 4 Brigades TF Baghdad – 7 Brigades West – 3 Brigades Central South 2 Brigades + Multi National Forces

OIF IV was projected in January 2005 to require 17 Combat Brigades + 3 division Headquarters listed below with rotations beginning in Mid 2005 and continuing until mid 2006.

48th Infantry Brigade (Separate), Georgia Army National Guard 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard 1st Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, Ft. Drum, N.Y. 172d Stryker Brigade Combat Team, Ft. Wainwright, Alaska II MEU(Headquarters + 2 x Regiments) 101st Airborne Division, Air Assault (division headquarters and 4 brigades) 1st Brigade, 1st Infantry Division 1st Brigade, 1st Armor Division 2nd Brigade, 1st Armor Division 4th Infantry Division (division headquarters and 4 brigades)

It should be noted that Combat Brigades account for 60% of forces. For every 3 soldiers “boots on ground – outside the wire”, it takes another 2 soldiers to provide Headquarters and Logistics. Currently we are about halfway between OIF 3 and OIF 4.

Firstly, let’s address Senator McCain’s complaint, he is a decorated combat veteran, and regardless of what one thinks about his political ambitions, his concerns should be taken seriously.

The failure of the Mosul police force in November 2004 left MNF-NW seriously short of manpower. The Stryker Brigades did a fantastic job of regaining control of Mosul by the summer of 2005 with very limited resources.

Fortunately, by May 2005, Haifa street in Baghdad was being patrolled by Iraqi security forces “In the Lead”, which allowed 3 battalions of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment to relocate to MNF-NW. An additional battalion of 82nd Airborne, which arrived in September 2005, allowed enough troops in the MNF-NW AOR to retake and hold all of the sizeable cities in Ninewa.

In total 4 additional combat battalions have been reassigned to MNF-North West since Senator McCain made his complaint.

In August 2005, 20% of Diyala province was turned over to Iraqi security forces which allowed relocation 1 battalion from MNF-NW to MNF-W. In Sept/Oct 2005, the Provinces of Najaf and Karbala were turned over to ISF forces “In the lead”, which allowed reallocating even more forces to Al Anbar. In Sept 2005, a battalion of 82nd Airborne was assigned to Al Anbar.

In addition, in Sept/Oct 2005, an additional 3 sectors of Baghdad were turned over to ISF “In the lead”. As of this writing, the forces have not yet been reallocated, press statements made by the commander of the 48th Infantry Brigade however have indicated that an additional 2 battalions will be allocated to MNF-W(Al Anbar) in November as well as 2 Battalions being sent to Balad. It is unclear whether they are in support of MNF-North Central or 1st COSCOM(Logistics Command.

By sometime in November, an additional 4 battalions will have been assigned to MNF-West.

Overlap and Senator Kerry’s complaint.

Senator Kerry has called for an immediate reduction of 20,000 troops by years end.

In the normal course of rotation, it takes approximately 8 weeks from the time a replacement unit leaves the US, until the unit it is replacing leaves Iraq. Most of this time is spent in Kuwait “acclimating” to the conditions in the Middle East. It just so happens that Pentagon planners scheduled huge rotations around October 15th and December 15th. It happens that the time required to acclimate to the desert heat in October and December is significantly less than the time it takes to acclimate in August.

This has accidentally on purpose resulted in an extra 20,000 troops on hand for the October 15th elections as the 101st Airborne rotated in. This will also probably result in an extra 20,000 troops showing up early around the Dec 15th elections as well. Shortly afterwards, the number of troops in Iraq will be reduced by the 20,000 overlap.

General Casey , Gradual troop reductions and bases.

Bases require troops. They have to be guarded. They need post offices, chow halls, motor pools, counter battery teams… the list goes on and on. TWENTY-NINE Forward operating bases have been closed in Iraq in the last 6 months.(a few have been opened in Al Anbar and Southern Ninewa).

www.defendamerica.mil/articles/oct2005/a102705dg2.html
A recent press release indicates that another part of Diyala province will be turned over to the ISF shortly. “The 1st Brigade of the Iraqi Army's 5th Division in Diyala, because of their proven operational capabilities, will take on a greater security role in the military operations in the sector during the ceremony.”

Where will the unit that was scheduled to replace the soldiers go? Will they be reallocated to another area? An extra battalion of minders for the not so friendly folks of Sammara or Ramadi? We still have 8 Brigades of troops scheduled for OIF 4 that have not yet arrived and we don’t know how they will be allocated.

11 of the 18 Iraqi provinces average less than 1 Hostile event per day. Clearly, this is within the abilities of Iraqi police and Army to track down the perpetrators. A few advisors and a Quick Reaction Force in reasonable proximity is all that needs to be provided. These provinces are candidates for troop reductions, if the reductions haven’t already taken place.

5 of the 18 provinces average 4 attacks per day per million residents. US forces finding 4 sets of thugs in a population of 1 million is most likely beyond the cultural and language barriers of Iraq.
These provinces hold potential for troop reductions as Iraqi forces become more seasoned and capable.

That leaves Al Anbar, which has recently seen troop increases, the effects of which are not yet known, and Salahadin, which may or may not see troops increases in the near future based on a reallocation of troops in Diyala and TF Baghdad.

Troop draw downs are dependant on the situation on the ground in Iraq, specifically the on going Anbar Campaign that from all indications I've read is going extremely well. Now it seems to me that if things continue to progress at the rate they have been. We might be able to start drawing down troop levels in 06. Once Iraq can maintain their own security the game is over and we win. So the end game is to stand up an Iraqis security force capable of maintaining the peace. We are right on track to accomplishing just that. The dems want to turn tail and run just as we appear to be winning decisively in Anbar. Personally I think that's hilariously funny, we shan't need to wait very long to see them all with egg on their pusses. At this very moment operation Steel Curtain is cealing the Syrian border. This leaves our poor "insurgency" enveloped. Bush was re-elected based on the Iraq War if Iraq fails so does he. The Democtrats can rant all they want. Bush still has three years left and the dems are going to remain a minority party while they advocate a cut and run strategy. Unlike the cold war expeirence that was Vietnam. In Vietnam Ho Chi Min was not coming after us if we lost, al-Qeada is.

[101ABN]

Good read, Cameron.

Thanks.

[cameron]

admin said:

Good read, Cameron.

Thanks.

Thanks 101 ;D

[tits]

It should be noted that Combat Brigades account for 60% of forces. For every 3 soldiers “boots on ground – outside the wire”, it takes another 2 soldiers to provide Headquarters and Logistics. Currently we are about halfway between OIF 3 and OIF 4.


This is the one aspect the non-military types of the Left and anti-war people have not understood.

In 1971, nearly every support function was performed by a uniformed person. Today, the majority of those functions are performed by GS or contract personnel. That means that the government is paying through Haliburton and the other 131 contractors to provide the services that uniformed personnel use to provide.

That friend of mine, Arbor (a PhD environmental Chemist with the US Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventative Medicine), just signed up for another one year tour. That makes 3 years that Arbor will have been providing environment chemistry services to the USACE and private contractors in Baghdad. Arbor is a GS-1320/12 serving in a war zone. That means his $80,000 salary is tax free plus he gets a 30% hazardous duty incentive plus time-and-a-half for overtime which averages around 40 hours per 2 wk pay period. For the government to keep Arbor in Baghdad means they are spending around $210,000. Besides Arbor, four other colleagues from the USACE/USACHPPM have done one year tours in Iraq.

The only reason I offered this Cam is to show that besides the 140,000 plus US uniformed forces, there are approximately 28,000 civilian government forces and an additional 42,000 contract personnel in country. The American public only thinks of the boot on the ground. Arbor was in the hotel when it was rocketed last spring. Another friend was in a hyped up Chevy Blazer when it was hit with an RPG that did not detonate. The Civilian government workers are given an armed escort to and from the "job site" but are left to furnish their own transportation.

In addition, Arbor told me last June that there had been over 350 Iraqi civilians beheaded for providing services to the Americans. Our news only carries the story of the murder of Westerners.

As one who endured a few months as an unwanted guest in another war and one who "policed" after a suicide bomber, my view of the chaos is jaded. I do not doubt what my friends are telling me, that we are winning and that the majority of Iraq is pacified. But I think of my son, Merc's son, our friend's son, and my son's other friend is being sent back for his second tour and I dread the memories they will have to bare. Those few idiot suicide bombers and ambushers will leave lasting memories that the name calling anti's will never ever understand. It has been 34 years since I picked up that plate and found someone's left thumb and finger under it. 101 can tell up about the "graves services" tags that read "body members missing". I would that no one would have to endure such memories.

Good catch and good read Cam. You are a fine young man and will go far.

[cameron]

Thank you Tittus

his $80,000 salary

Hey do you think I could get me one of them jobs?