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Post by bounce on Feb 1, 2006 18:17:58 GMT -8
Oh sorry, I guess I'm misunderstanding something. Oppsy just went back and read the posts. You and I are on the same side. Come on now we need to get our order of battle straight. Yeah, I see that now. I wasn't reading carefully enough. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 1, 2006 18:19:33 GMT -8
It's outsydr I think I meant that post for. Bob, Cameron is a Conservative Republican. Out is the lefty here! Go after him..lol Yeah, the Canadian Maple Leaf did something Freudian to me I guess. lol |
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Post by cameron on Feb 1, 2006 18:21:21 GMT -8
Oh sorry, I guess I'm misunderstanding something. Oppsy just went back and read the posts. You and I are on the same side. Come on now we need to get our order of battle straight. Yeah, I see that now. I wasn't reading carefully enough. That's OK I like your aggressive style ;D Notice the Maple Leaf is Blue not the commie red rag they use. |
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Post by MARIO on Feb 1, 2006 18:22:04 GMT -8
Bob, Cameron is a Conservative Republican. Out is the lefty here! Go after him..lol Yeah, the Canadian Maple Leaf did something Freudian to me I guess. lol lol...Yeah, Cameron is from Canada but he leaves in New York. And he makes fun of the Canucks every chance he gets. Cool guy! Speaking of Canucks, I just I had to tell that asshole, "Grasshopper," over at THC, to go choke on a maple leaf. He's a fucking idiot of the worst kind. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 1, 2006 18:28:41 GMT -8
Yeah, I see that now. I wasn't reading carefully enough. That's OK I like your aggressive style ;D Notice the Maple Leaf is Blue not the commie red rag they use. Have Mario tell you the story about his eight month e-affair with Amber! Oh my GOD!!! What a hoot. I still laugh over that one! |
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Post by 101ABN on Feb 1, 2006 19:30:58 GMT -8
I think it's fair to say that the response failed at all levels.
If all that happens here is fingerpointing, the key lessons will be missed.
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Post by cameron on Feb 1, 2006 20:00:20 GMT -8
I think it's fair to say that the response failed at all levels. If all that happens here is fingerpointing, the key lessons will be missed. I'm not convinced of that, I do think that the failure was in large part the fault of the state and local author ties. The finger pointing is all that is going to come out of the investigations unless the people of NOLA hold their elected officials to account for their poor response to the crisis. Could the Feds have done a better job, sure that is almost always the case. It is not in my opinion why the whole thing turned out as horribly as it did though. |
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Post by MARIO on Feb 1, 2006 21:20:18 GMT -8
That's OK I like your aggressive style ;D Notice the Maple Leaf is Blue not the commie red rag they use. Have Mario tell you the story about his eight month e-affair with Amber! Oh my GOD!!! What a hoot. I still laugh over that one! lol..don't bring that up, bob. I thought I was seeing things that day when you pissed her off so much on Mike's board that she revealed she was born a man! And he-she IM'ed me last night online to talk politics. I made sure that we didn't discuss gay marriage..lol Later. |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 1, 2006 21:37:18 GMT -8
Yipes! You are so ready to argue this issue that you're not even checking your targets! My my...
Look, all I'm saying is that I find the article you posted to have little evidence of state or local failings. That is not... repeat NOT to say that state or local officials didn't screw up! They most certainly did! But the federal government screwed up, too. And we're seeing the first evidence of that now.
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Post by cameron on Feb 1, 2006 21:37:50 GMT -8
Have Mario tell you the story about his eight month e-affair with Amber! Oh my GOD!!! What a hoot. I still laugh over that one! lol..don't bring that up, bob. I thought I was seeing things that day when you pissed her off so much on Mike's board that she revealed she was born a man! And he-she IM'ed me last night online to talk politics. I made sure that we didn't discuss gay marriage..lol Later. Oh great I think I'd rather not know anything about that  |
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Post by MARIO on Feb 1, 2006 21:39:06 GMT -8
lol..don't bring that up, bob. I thought I was seeing things that day when you pissed her off so much on Mike's board that she revealed she was born a man! And he-she IM'ed me last night online to talk politics. I made sure that we didn't discuss gay marriage..lol Later. Oh great I think I'd rather not know anything about that lol |
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Post by cameron on Feb 1, 2006 21:41:13 GMT -8
Yipes! You are so ready to argue this issue that you're not even checking your targets! My my... Look, all I'm saying is that I find the article you posted to have little evidence of state or local failings. That is not... repeat NOT to say that state or local officials didn't screw up! They most certainly did! But the federal government screwed up, too. And we're seeing the first evidence of that now. I seriously doubt it, first off the government closest to the problem that bears the greatest responsibility to solve the problem. I can think of plenty of things the Feds could have done differently but to lay the blame for the fiasco at the door of Federal authorities just ain't in the cards. |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 1, 2006 21:55:26 GMT -8
Yipes! You are so ready to argue this issue that you're not even checking your targets! My my... Look, all I'm saying is that I find the article you posted to have little evidence of state or local failings. That is not... repeat NOT to say that state or local officials didn't screw up! They most certainly did! But the federal government screwed up, too. And we're seeing the first evidence of that now. I seriously doubt it, first off the government closest to the problem that bears the greatest responsibility to solve the problem. I can think of plenty of things the Feds could have done differently but to lay the blame for the fiasco at the door of Federal authorities just ain't in the cards. Ain't in the cards? It's already happening! Read the article, my friend. It won't be ENTIRELY federal, yes. But it won't be even MOSTLY local or state, either. |
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Post by cameron on Feb 1, 2006 22:09:36 GMT -8
I seriously doubt it, first off the government closest to the problem that bears the greatest responsibility to solve the problem. I can think of plenty of things the Feds could have done differently but to lay the blame for the fiasco at the door of Federal authorities just ain't in the cards. Ain't in the cards? It's already happening! Read the article, my friend. It won't be ENTIRELY federal, yes. But it won't be even MOSTLY local or state, either. Evacauation plans are the responsibility of state and local authorities not the Feds nor should it be. From the news report I linked to: The committee also released a Senate interview of Louisiana Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry, during which he told investigators "we have done nothing to fulfill this responsibility" of ensuring evacuation plans are in place for at-risk populations.
"We put no plans in place to do any of this," Bradberry said in the Dec. 21 interview, 12 pages of which were released by the Senate committee. You can try and try but it just isn't going to fly. As more and more comes out it is sinking your thesis. |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 1, 2006 22:17:20 GMT -8
Okay! Okay, now just stop for a second. Don't post again without this time READING WHAT I HAVE POSTED!
I'm not saying...
Are you reading? Good.
I'm not saying state and local officials are free of guilt here. State and local officials did fail. Got that? Please read again. State and local officials throughout the Gulf Coast area (and not just in New Orleans, as retire2005 would have the world believe) committed, as I like to say, one collasal fuck up!
BUT...
The federal government ALSO (not exclusively, not even mostly) failed to react or perform.
Okay?
Everyone screwed up, cameron. Everyone. Not just federal, not just state, not just local.
Everyone.
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