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Post by CommonSense on Mar 8, 2006 18:07:32 GMT -8
Drive them back!
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Post by dustdevil28 on Mar 8, 2006 18:20:53 GMT -8
Any reason for this poll?
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 8, 2006 18:22:03 GMT -8
I voted Other.
The National Guard should not leave the states that they are part of.
So if the New Mexican NG wants to defend the border, sure - go right ahead.
But the New Jersey NG should not be sent there. Nor should it be sent to Iraq.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 8, 2006 20:45:06 GMT -8
They should be used to protect their states borders. I have no problem with Guard units being sent to OIF/OEF (not that I want to stay one minute longer than I have to :-) ). It's obvious that our borders are WIDE open and there are individuals crossing who mean to do the USA harm.
Now I don't have any problem with someone wanting to come to our country to try to make a better life for themself. To come here LEGALLY and get a job, pay taxes and contribute to society in a positive manner. That's all fine with me. Shoot, if some guy who makes his home in Mexico and crosses the border for work everyday I don't mind, as long as it's a legitimate job and he's doing it legally.
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Post by AmericanPride on Mar 9, 2006 8:48:11 GMT -8
James- The National Guard - and the Reserves - is a critical component of the Army warfighting system. The organization of the Army is designed intentionally to require the application of the NG and the AR in large-scale operations such as OIF. Since World War I, the NG has been an essential factor in the victories of the United States. Further, the National Guard is just that: national. It is not a "state" militia, as it ultimately comes under the authority of the Department of Defense and the President. It is designed to perform the functions of regular Army units across the full spectrum of military operations. Finally -- Mexico has no right to exist as a political entity.  |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 9, 2006 10:25:24 GMT -8
The National Guard is a defense for the states against federal tyranny.
They should never be used in a federal capacity.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 9, 2006 20:45:11 GMT -8
James, the Guard is on loan to the states to give the Governors a force they can use in times of emergency. The Guard is funded by congress making it a federal entity. The true defense against tyranny is the constitution and the willingness of the military to "Guard and defend it from all enemies, foriegn and DOMESTIC." We have the rule of law and there are MILLIONS of us who will ensure it reigns supreme.
One thing you MUST do as a leader, ensure your troops understand their rights under UCMJ concerning unlawful orders. What an unlawful order is and their right to refuse to follow one. Oh, and if I hear of some bone headed butter bar giving one of my troops one I will crush him.
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Post by garryowen on Mar 10, 2006 7:56:08 GMT -8
I think it would be impossible to guard against the entire border. My dad and I were talking about this once. I suggested to my dad that we should build a huge wall, complete with electrical currents/barbed wire and he said something about mexicans buying bangalor torpedoes and getting into the country anyway.
It didn't really make sense.
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Post by garryowen on Mar 10, 2006 7:56:30 GMT -8
BTW - I still think my wall idea is good
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Post by AmericanPride on Mar 10, 2006 8:55:47 GMT -8
James-
Think about this: a major disaster event causes extensive damage to the infrastructure, population, and political control of a particular state. This state - because it lacks the resources and the control capabilities - cannot reinstate the law, cannot provide the necessary disaster relief, and cannot respond to all forms of the crisis. Due to the great population and communication disruption, it is unable to mobilize any considerable portion of its National Guard units. It needs help.
Because of your ideology, this state would be unable to call upon the National Guard units of the other 49 to provide assistance to its population. The state would die. The people would die.
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 10, 2006 11:17:11 GMT -8
Fortunately we do not operate in the realm of the extreme.......
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 10, 2006 20:54:19 GMT -8
Fortunately, we have EMAC. This way a state can request assistance from another state in time of emergency bypassing the federal government. This is what Blanco DIDN'T do during Katrina. I wonder if Louisiana has a new Adjutant General yet since the one they had did a bang up job last year.
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Post by AmericanPride on Mar 10, 2006 22:12:05 GMT -8
James-
Unfortunately, the disaster event I described already occurred.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 11, 2006 4:27:42 GMT -8
The reason why Florida didn't have the problems Louisiana had is because Florida sought help from other states in the 04-05 storm seasons. Well, that and the fact that our state is competently lead. Now I'm not denying FEMA is screwed up, but so is Blanco, Nagin and I question the competancy of their Guard leadership.
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