Post by cameron on Mar 17, 2006 3:12:31 GMT -8
Well E. J. Dionne gets it wrong again, was following along with him thinking "oh wow he gets it" until I got to this:
Democrats Fumble Feingold's Grenade
Bzzzzzzzzzz, no, no, no, sorry, no trophy for you E. J. Bush's claims are not suspect. Have you even read the Hamdi case, and if you have, did you understand it? The case law is on the side of Bush. Even if you dispute that, it would need to go to SCOTUS to be determined. It doesn't matter what you, the howling monkeys on the extreme left, or what some RINO's may think.
Go ahead advise the Democrats to pull the pin on that thing you think is a grenade. The only ones that are going to get blown up, are the Democrats. It doesn't matter how many gather around Feingold, they aren't going to be able to throw him far enough to hurt any Republicans. The only ones that would get hurt, would be those Democrats that gave it the old college try.
Feingold is playing in the left field, the far left field. Even if every one on his team gets together to agree he's in center field. That isn't going to help the team, or fool the umpires. It just means everyone on the team is going to be out of position.
The problem isn't that there are no Democratic leaders able to navigate between their base and the electorate at large, there is no navigable water between the two. When the Republican party was in the minority. They did not attempt to appeal to the lunatic fringe (Birchers) and the electorate at large. They drove the lunatics out of the party. The Democrats have allowed the lunatics to take control of the party. Until you and the rest of those who want to see the Democrats become a viable national party again, realize this simple fact. The Democrats are going to continue to be the Washington Generals, to the Republicans Harlem Globe Trotters, until they do.
The fact is, the new information age we now live in, has ripped the rug right out from underneath you, the MSM, and the Democratic party . The loud mouths you hear, are the voices that were never allowed to get near the megaphone, until very recently. We were drowned out by loud mouths like you, with the aid of the MSM. Us loud mouths over on this side would get labeled extreme by you and the MSM, and our ideas would never be allowed a fair hearing. Well the worm has turned.
Turning a minority into a majority requires more than just passion and discipline. It requires a message based on principles that are acceptable to a plurality of the electorate. The Democrats can no longer simply play act, or just mouth the words they think the electorate wants to hear. You can't win the big game, without the basic skills needed to play the game.
Democrats Fumble Feingold's Grenade
Here's the problem: Feingold and the activists are right that Democrats can't just take a pass on the wiretapping issue, because Bush's legal claims are so suspect -- even to many in his own party. The opposition's job is to raise alarms over potential abuses of presidential power.
But Democrats, unlike Republicans, have yet to develop a healthy relationship between activists willing to test and expand the conventional limits on political debate and the politicians who have to calculate what works in creating an electoral majority.
For two decades, Republicans have used their idealists, their ideologues and their loudmouths to push the boundaries of discussion to the right. In the best of all worlds, Feingold's strong stand would redefine what's "moderate" and make clear that those challenging the legality of the wiretapping are neither extreme nor soft on terrorism.
That would demand coordination, trust and, yes, calculation involving both the vote-counting politicians and the guardians of principle among the activists. Republicans have mastered this art. Democrats haven't.
Turning a minority into a majority requires both passion and discipline. Bringing the two together requires effective leadership. Does anybody out there know how to play this game?
Bzzzzzzzzzz, no, no, no, sorry, no trophy for you E. J. Bush's claims are not suspect. Have you even read the Hamdi case, and if you have, did you understand it? The case law is on the side of Bush. Even if you dispute that, it would need to go to SCOTUS to be determined. It doesn't matter what you, the howling monkeys on the extreme left, or what some RINO's may think.
Go ahead advise the Democrats to pull the pin on that thing you think is a grenade. The only ones that are going to get blown up, are the Democrats. It doesn't matter how many gather around Feingold, they aren't going to be able to throw him far enough to hurt any Republicans. The only ones that would get hurt, would be those Democrats that gave it the old college try.
Feingold is playing in the left field, the far left field. Even if every one on his team gets together to agree he's in center field. That isn't going to help the team, or fool the umpires. It just means everyone on the team is going to be out of position.
The problem isn't that there are no Democratic leaders able to navigate between their base and the electorate at large, there is no navigable water between the two. When the Republican party was in the minority. They did not attempt to appeal to the lunatic fringe (Birchers) and the electorate at large. They drove the lunatics out of the party. The Democrats have allowed the lunatics to take control of the party. Until you and the rest of those who want to see the Democrats become a viable national party again, realize this simple fact. The Democrats are going to continue to be the Washington Generals, to the Republicans Harlem Globe Trotters, until they do.
The fact is, the new information age we now live in, has ripped the rug right out from underneath you, the MSM, and the Democratic party . The loud mouths you hear, are the voices that were never allowed to get near the megaphone, until very recently. We were drowned out by loud mouths like you, with the aid of the MSM. Us loud mouths over on this side would get labeled extreme by you and the MSM, and our ideas would never be allowed a fair hearing. Well the worm has turned.
Turning a minority into a majority requires more than just passion and discipline. It requires a message based on principles that are acceptable to a plurality of the electorate. The Democrats can no longer simply play act, or just mouth the words they think the electorate wants to hear. You can't win the big game, without the basic skills needed to play the game.