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Post by CommonSense on Jan 20, 2006 17:45:20 GMT -8
what will happen? It is said that the Shi'tte Party which just won most of the power in Iraq is supported and mostly funded by Tehran. Once American troop levels start to decrease, the new Iraqi Republic will be vulnerable to the radical Iranians in Tehran. It is plausible that they would use our own system of democracy against the Iraqi people and create Iran #2.
So, my question: If it appears that Iran has taken control of an elected Iraqi government, what should we do? Should we follow the law of "it's elected even if it hates us", or will we attempt to install a secular, pro-US dictator in Baghdad?
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Post by stratagosv on Jan 20, 2006 18:15:15 GMT -8
Iran probably already sent Bush a gift basket, we got rid of his second biggest enemy, put their people in charge... democracy in Iraq? Not as long as Iran is right there.
"it's elected even if it hates us" is stupid, we didn't pay over a trillion dollars and over 2000 american lives for a government that hates us
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Post by CommonSense on Jan 20, 2006 18:58:51 GMT -8
So you would install a pro-US secular dictator with an iron fist?
I'm not sure where I stand on this yet, which is one of the reasons I asked for opinions.
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Post by Merceditas on Jan 20, 2006 20:25:36 GMT -8
I don't see anyway to solve this problem easily.
One way which might solve it (but it would never work) is to force them NOT to base their parties on religious or ethnic differences.
I still think separating the country into separate regions might be a good plan. But I haven't figured out the scenarios that might occur which would make this prohibitive.
What do you guys think?
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Post by AmericanPride on Jan 20, 2006 22:58:07 GMT -8
The obvious decisive solution is to strike swiftly at the heart of the problem: Iran.
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Post by stratagosv on Jan 21, 2006 0:15:01 GMT -8
CS: What's the point in creating democracy in the ME if they vote in anti US leaders, how dumb is that?
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Post by dustdevil28 on Jan 21, 2006 1:55:21 GMT -8
I don't buy the whole "Iran 2" garbage. The Iraqis do remember the eight year war and though they might share similar religious views, they won't be the same.
If we must address the 'issue' than we could simply take out Iran.
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Post by CommonSense on Jan 21, 2006 6:44:41 GMT -8
I don't buy the whole "Iran 2" garbage. The Iraqis do remember the eight year war and though they might share similar religious views, they won't be the same. If we must address the 'issue' than we could simply take out Iran. The Iraqis didn't ask Saddam to invade Iran, and the only group that we think supported it was the Sunnis. The Southern Shiite didn't want to kill their brothers across the border. "Take out Iran"?! How would we do this? An invasion of Iran would not be like an invasion of Iraq. Anyone who believes the Iraqi insurgency is bad now, would faint when given the sight of an Iranian insurgency. And thats after our troops face endless frontal assaults from unarmed Iranian children in the desert. But, if there is no other way, there is no other way. First we have to see if there is another way. |
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Post by CommonSense on Jan 21, 2006 6:45:20 GMT -8
CS: What's the point in creating democracy in the ME if they vote in anti US leaders, how dumb is that? I see your point strat. |
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Post by CommonSense on Jan 21, 2006 6:45:52 GMT -8
The obvious decisive solution is to strike swiftly at the heart of the problem: Iran. See my response to BB. |
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Post by LorSpi on Jan 21, 2006 6:49:40 GMT -8
The Iraqis didn't ask Saddam to invade Iran... Iran tried to assassinate saddam hussein - and so the retaliatory war. I've notice that little piece of history being left out of the retelling lately. |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Jan 21, 2006 7:10:53 GMT -8
The Iraqis didn't ask Saddam to invade Iran, and the only group that we think supported it was the Sunnis. The Southern Shiite didn't want to kill their brothers across the border. Iraqis and Iranians didn't exaclty get along before Saddam came to power. While the Shiites might want to lean to them as allies Vs. us, they want to run their country more. Our military could easily topple the Iranian govt. Sadly the American public will not support this so it is not a realistic option. We should brace ourselves though. With a weakhanded europe handling the situation in Iran right now it won't be long before we find ourselves there anyway. If world public opinion were to change dramatically against Iran's govt than it wouldn't be as bad. With the flamatory speeches by the Iranian President we may get it in a few years. agreed. |
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Post by stratagosv on Jan 21, 2006 11:00:07 GMT -8
Spreading Democracy throughout the ME in hopes that they'll be grateful and thank us is a pipe dream. It only takes ONE hitleresque leader who wants to "restore the dignity of the _______ people" and blame everything on us, and I think they've got plenty of those in the ME
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Post by CommonSense on Feb 1, 2006 13:03:28 GMT -8
how anti-American an elected government is. If they simply let it known they don't like us, I can live with that knowing that they are elected fairly. However, if the elected government supports terror and condones violence against us, thats a different story.
Oppression does matter. We should do everything we can to stamp out or isolate those who oppress. This is why I am very very hesitant to install a pro-US dictator. He IS a dictator, whether we like him or not.
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