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Post by dustdevil28 on Mar 26, 2006 4:39:58 GMT -8
What should be done about this situation? Karzai has assured us that the man will not be exeuted, but they still feel that they must pressure the man to convert back to Islam. Also, they are saying that he should leave the country to avoid a lynchmob that will likely await him in his home town. Can someone tell me why these people are so pissed when a bunch of christians are the ones providing security for their pos nation? news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060324/wl_sthasia_afp/afghanistanreligion_060324192407 |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 26, 2006 7:57:38 GMT -8
And of course, if America executed someone for converting from Christianity to Islam, the Moslem world would get pissed, have riots and burn the American flag.
I fucking hate hypocrisy so much.
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 26, 2006 8:20:56 GMT -8
I think they've declared him insane. I think that gives him an official pass but won't proteect him from the lunatic mullahs and their flocks of howling nutbars.
Over here, the ultra-lefties already think Christians are nuts. Hey, why else would anyone convert?
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Post by Merceditas on Mar 26, 2006 10:55:41 GMT -8
 I have a real problem with helping a country get on it's feet and sitting by while they keep laws like this. But then, I've always had a problem with working cooperatively in trade with countries with major human rights abuse like China. 
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 26, 2006 18:15:13 GMT -8
Merc - under the Taleban, this man would have been executed without any questions asked.
We're making progress. What we have now is certanily better than what we had before, which makes it all worth it.
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Post by Merceditas on Mar 26, 2006 19:45:40 GMT -8
Merc - under the Taleban, this man would have been executed without any questions asked. We're making progress. What we have now is certanily better than what we had before, which makes it all worth it. I'm very aware of what the Taliban was like. Where is the progress, specifically? What specifically can you point to that guarantees we will see that government will be one we can be proud of saying we had a hand in? Not that I wouldn't call what we've done an improvement, but progress implies it will continue to a point of success. Progress or not, this makes our government look hypocritical if it isn't in fact. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 27, 2006 7:56:06 GMT -8
No, we would be hypocrites if we imposed our style of democracy upon the Afghani people.
As SecState Rice said, the Afghani people must find their own way - we must respect their autonomy. We can't just say "this is wrong, you must do it THIS way". We can encourage them to act in a certain manner but we can't force them to. There is a huge difference.
"Where is the progress, specifically? What specifically can you point to that guarantees we will see that government will be one we can be proud of saying we had a hand in?"
You honestly see no difference between the Taleban and the current government? How about women being allowed to vote?
Careful Merc - you are in danger of sounding like one of "them"....
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Post by Merceditas on Mar 27, 2006 9:47:09 GMT -8
This isn't about imposing 'our' style democracy on Afghanistan, this is about ignoring the laws of another country that are intolerant, abusive and unjust. And why? Why should we be silent with Afghanistan and not with other countries that have such laws? Double standard here?
I disagree with the idea that we should be satisfied that there is just 'progress'. I make no apologies for my viewpoint and I don't care what you think I sound like. I don't give a crap about their culture or their religion, if their laws allow people to be arrested because of their religious beliefs they are no better than another government that is condemned for human rights abuse.
Instead of our government glossing over this injustice we should be making it clear we condemn such laws.
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Post by FightingFalcon on Mar 27, 2006 11:44:22 GMT -8
We do Merc - it's the only reason this man is still alive today.
As I said before, the United States should encourage others to adopt our style of democracy with protection for ethnic, religious, cultural, etc. minorities. However, we can't just up and TELL countries to do it.
Well....we could but they probably just wouldn't listen unless we militarily invaded them. And I think we have our hands full right now.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Mar 27, 2006 17:33:02 GMT -8
I agree with James on this one.
We are the great force for good for governments that will cooperate and we reserve many ways to hurt nation's that fly against us without resorting to military force.
In the Afghan case I felt that it the death penalty was overhyped by the media. After Karzai assured Rice that nothing so extreme would happen I felt the situation could be resolved for this man, but it brings up a important issue about religious freedom.
If we are to force them into recognition of religious freedom than it invalidates the government that we've helped into power, while at the same time fuels a anti-American and western sentiment which will set their political progress back.
We should continue to influence and encourage our kind of democracy so that future generations of Afghans may worship as they please.
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