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Post by peterd on Mar 10, 2007 4:06:21 GMT -8
During my vacation I went to see Monte Casino abbey and the Polish cemetary next it. This was an awesome experience for those who love the history. Afterwards I went to pay respect to the fallen at the Polish cemetary. Over 1000 Polish soldiers and officers are burried there including their commander. Many thoughts went through my mind and one of them was a question. Is treason just about a person who betrays his country or is there there more to it. These soldiers fought, believing that one day they will see their homeland again, free of all oppresion. Many believed that even if they die, others may see their homeland. Monte Casino is high on the top of the mountain. It took lot of courage and determination to wrestle the mountain from the Germans. The price was high. What happen to those who survived the battle? They were not allowed to come home. Why you may ask? When big four had their conference, they decided to give Poland to Stalin and his oppresive communist regime. Communist distrust anyone who fought with the western armies against the nazis.
So again, what is treason? Is that just betrayal by one or few, or could it be a political decision by a country or countries to sell another country into slavery. Just as an example; If you have fire in your house and your friend comes to help you to estiquish a fire would you betray him/her. If a friend cared enough to help you should we betray him/her for our convinience?
I am not trying to play the blame game or stir up a hate. The purpose of my analogies is to raise an awarness. To many times I heard comments like; if they wanted to be red, be it. Comments like these are made by those who are not thinking clear enough or by those who are looking for quick fix. So let me ask you this, what is really a treason?
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 10, 2007 6:26:20 GMT -8
Treason is the betrayal of one's own country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy.
In the US it is clearly defned in the Constitution, Section 3. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
OTOH, there are many kinds of betrayal and disloyalty that don't meet the legal definitions of treason.
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Post by peterd on Mar 10, 2007 10:56:26 GMT -8
Treason is the betrayal of one's own country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy.
101, you just brought up very good point. So if you look at the definition of treason, then did the three powers committed treason by selling a country to the fourth power. We have to remember that Poland was not the enemy.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 14, 2007 5:24:03 GMT -8
Good question but, it raises another. Can one nation commit treason against another?
What I consider treason is to actually aid an enemy in that enemies fight against your own nation. Like when some ignorant opinionated hollywierd clown criticizes his nation while in another country.
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Post by 101ABN on Mar 14, 2007 17:50:21 GMT -8
"Good question but, it raises another. Can one nation commit treason against another?"
Betrayal, yes but not treason.
All betrayals are not treason. Treason is the betrayal of one's own country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy.
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Post by peterd on Mar 15, 2007 2:40:31 GMT -8
Here is the irony. If a person sells secrets to the enemy we call it treason. However, if a nation sells other nation to the slavery it is called betrayal. If your opinion are we focused more on words than actions. What we are saying is that nations cannot committ treason, only betrayals.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 5, 2007 19:27:00 GMT -8
Treason can only exist among the citizenry of a state, and defines the betrayal of that relationship by the citizen. In essence, the citizen conspires with a foreign power to usurp the authority of his state. In an international context, it's not treason, it's realpolitik.
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Post by Remey688 on Jun 17, 2007 17:23:19 GMT -8
Treason is the betrayal of one's own country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy. 101, you just brought up very good point. So if you look at the definition of treason, then did the three powers committed treason by selling a country to the fourth power. We have to remember that Poland was not the enemy. Poland was a pawn in WWII. The war started because Germany moved in, and ended with the Soviets moving in. Technically we were at war with Germany and Japan only. Roosevelt tired of the war, then died leaving post WWII policy for Truman to work out. |
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Post by Remey688 on Jun 23, 2007 1:01:37 GMT -8
Treason can only exist among the citizenry of a state, and defines the betrayal of that relationship by the citizen. In essence, the citizen conspires with a foreign power to usurp the authority of his state. In an international context, it's not treason, it's realpolitik. Governments worldwide can made laws relative to their own citizens that never apply's to other government or political structure. |
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