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Post by cataracts on Apr 25, 2007 0:26:18 GMT -8
Unknown to most people is the fact that the Muslims sent well over 100,000 soldiers to Poland in 1672. The Grand Vizier of the Ottoman empire, Kara Mustafa hated Christians. He demanded that all Poland surrender to him. A Polish general, acting alone, marched in it's defense. Hardly ever sleeping, never undressing, never lighting fires, eating only occasionally and then very little, he set out to defeat the Muslims. His name is general Sobieski. After much fighting he defeated the Muslims at Krasnobrod.
Later he cleared the Ukraine of Tartars, which were fighting with the Muslim Turks. In January of 1674 he was elected the King of Poland.
In May of 1682 Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mohammad IV, gave the "Flag of the Prophet" to Grand Vizier Kara Mustapha (same guy defeated 8 years earlier by Sobieski) to defeat and take over Austria especially taking the city of Vienna. Taking Vienna would be a great blow against Christianity. Over 100,000 Muslims led by Janisarries accompanied great flocks of sheep and cattle which would be used for food. By July 13 of 1682 they had started the siege of Vienna. Turkish canon were bombing Vienna and there was hand to hand fighting in the streets.
Emperor Leopold appealed to the Polish King John Sobieski to save Vienna. Sobieski immediately left and raced to Vienna.
Sobieski wrote of his journey: "at every moment of the day and night I bestir myself to succor Christianity with the help of God, for Christianity finds itself in danger through the threat of Vienna."
The Turks demanded the surrender of Vienna, but Count Srahemberg firmly refused. Vienna was beginning to starve. On September 2 Sobieski held a council of war with his allies, German, Lithuanian, and Ukranian.
Sobieski led the attack on September 12, 1682. He totally and desicevlly defeated the Muslim horde. Sobieski wrote to his wife that the Grand Vizier had left so quickly tha he left everything he had in the tent. He fled with one horse and not much more.
Sobieski wrote "God and our Lord gave victory and glory to our nation as never before was heard in past centuries."
Sobieski kept the "Flag of the Prophet". He also mentioned that the Grand Vizier didn't want his women, who travelled with him, to fall in the hands of the Polish, so he had them all butchered.
So much for being a Muslim whore.
Some unusual history not taught in our schools.
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Post by MrDoublel on Apr 25, 2007 5:57:14 GMT -8
But of course it isn't taught since it protrays Christian Europe as being the victim of Muslim agression...not the PC story that is the opposite. Remember, according to the PC police the christians are always the agressors and the muslims the victims. Plus there's the whole issue of presenting history as it actually occured, we can't do that since someone might be offended. Better to revise it and keep minority fringe groups happy.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Apr 25, 2007 16:43:02 GMT -8
Proud to be Polish and Christian
Great read Cat.
Thanks
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Post by cataracts on Apr 25, 2007 20:15:05 GMT -8
SFC,
If we were to examing the conflicts between the Muslims and the Christians I would guess the vast majority of aggressors would be the Muslims.
It's often portrayed how the Crusades were an aggression against the Muslims. However, the Muslims had been attacking Southern Europe for three hundred years before the first Crusade took place.
C.
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Post by MrDoublel on Apr 27, 2007 7:06:42 GMT -8
The reality is there was a lot of political and personal motivation for the Crusades. There were large numbers of second and third sons that went along in search of land, titles and wealth. Religion took a back seat to all that.
As for muslim agression, look up Charles Martel and what he accomplished at Tours in 732AD in France. It's been going on for a long time. The fact that christianity is no longer forced upon people is ignored as is the fact that if you do not convert to islam you are a second class citizen at best.
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Post by santee on Apr 28, 2007 5:00:38 GMT -8
And that will not end until the moderate muslims actually stand up to the extremists and tell em to stand down, there is no place for that anymore.
But yes, the Muslim hordes have been trying to work their way across the world for a good long while.
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Post by cataracts on Apr 28, 2007 5:29:33 GMT -8
Actually conversion to Catholicism in no way resembles converting to Islam. Right from the start the muslims would kill anyone who did not convert.
I perssonally believe that there are no moderate muslims. They will never go against the extremist. I believe that the muslims are going to have to be put down violenly It's all they understand, This is no different than the muslim wars throughout the second millenium.
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Post by MrDoublel on Apr 30, 2007 6:58:25 GMT -8
Muslims are not permitted to speek out against of criticize another muslim in front of an infadel. It is forbidden. So, in their belief, they risk eternal damnation if they say anything against the extreemists.
In the end, Islam is a religion destined for anarchy instead of stability.
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Post by youngstown on May 23, 2007 20:43:41 GMT -8
The Polish helped form the Jamestown colony. They were the Glass Makers. The glass was largely expoted to Europe, and used as trade with the Natives. When it came time to writing the laws, all but those of English Citizenship were to be excluded from having a voice. The Polish Glass Workers went on the First recorded "Strike" in the New World. They felt they too should have the right to vote. They WON! Incidently, Washington was 13% Polish, going back to his families pre-American Heritage. Might explain why the Polish were so helpful during the American Revolution?
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Post by Remey688 on May 24, 2007 21:50:54 GMT -8
But of course it isn't taught since it protrays Christian Europe as being the victim of Muslim agression...not the PC story that is the opposite. Remember, according to the PC police the christians are always the agressors and the muslims the victims. Plus there's the whole issue of presenting history as it actually occured, we can't do that since someone might be offended. Better to revise it and keep minority fringe groups happy. That's horse poop! Why are American folks offended today with the idea that white Europeans could possible be rightous??? |
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Post by Remey688 on May 30, 2007 14:37:01 GMT -8
Actually conversion to Catholicism in no way resembles converting to Islam. Right from the start the muslims would kill anyone who did not convert. I perssonally believe that there are no moderate muslims. They will never go against the extremist. I believe that the muslims are going to have to be put down violenly It's all they understand, This is no different than the muslim wars throughout the second millenium. Cataracts I agree with your conclusion that the muslims are going to have to be put down violenly It's all they understand. They need to be put to the sword before they kill all of us. |
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Post by AmericanPride on Jun 6, 2007 5:23:30 GMT -8
What makes this war particularly interesting or unique for American students? Is there anything specific that makes the war outstanding in some way? There's barely enough time to teach the important lessons and ideas of history, much less all the wars of Europe since the rise of nation-states.
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Post by cataracts on Jun 11, 2007 22:42:29 GMT -8
American Pride,
There are a number of things about this story that make it unique. There are quite a few people in our own country that are of Polish and Austrian heritage. These people would have a natural connection with this war.
The war was between Catholics and Muslims. The approximately 80 million Catholics in our country have something to feel good about. At a time when picking on Catholics appears to be a national pastime, Catholics can rightfully feel proud about their heritage in times that have passed.
The war was also fought by Europeans against the Muslims. The Muslims were the favorite of the two as far as winning. They lost through the tenacity, skill, and the Holy Spirit.
I find this story fascinating. It should be required reading in every school in the nation.
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Post by AmericanPride on Jun 12, 2007 6:20:02 GMT -8
Simply because you enjoy reading about the particular event does not mean it has any fruitful bearing on the study of history for American high school students. There are Americans that are of Polish and Austrian heritage. But there are many of black heritage too. Why not talk about the wars between Africans and European slavers? The European conquest of the African continent in the 18th century? Who is the "favorite" then? There are many Muslims in America. Who is the "favorite" for them? Blacks and Muslims can rightfully feel proud about their heritage in times that have passed. Why should these not be required?
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Post by cataracts on Jun 20, 2007 22:25:58 GMT -8
American Pride,
What you say certainly has an element of truth to it. There is so much history, wars, rebellions, clashes etc, etc. So I suggest that seeing as Christianity is 2000 years old, all of history should be taught from the Catholic point of view. No other view, just the Catholic view. History would then be orderly, make sense, and be good for those who read it. A perfect combination!!!
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