Now it's illegal to mention that blacks are black!

[FightingFalcon]

Battleborn - my racial beliefs are very simple. I accept all human beings as equally worthless or equally productive. If I owned a business and the only good applicants were black, I'd have a company that employed just blacks. If every qualified applicant as Asian, then every employee would be Asian. And so forth.

I don't care what the color of your skin is, or your religious beliefs, etc. If you can do the job, your'e hired. It's not fucking rocket science here. And if the government makes me accept an unqualified moron just because of his race - well then they can pay me in lost productivity.

[101ABN]

UMMM!

If you read the linked article carefully, you'll see there was more to it than just calling the player "a good black kid." There was apparently a slur that is not quoted in the article, probably because it's pretty inflammatory.

The energy on the thread, however, seems to indicate a fair amount of white urban rage.

Hard to believe there's this kind of energy in the land of the free.

Racial and ethnic slurs have no place in our society. No matter who makes them, IMO.

[americanpride]

There are 300 million people in America.

Just because a few of us are "non-biased" towards those of another skin color (the term race is a misnomer because there is no such thing!) does not indicate the remaining 299,999,995 people in this country are not. In fact, pre-judice is alive and well, not just by whites of course, but including Mexican, Asian, black, and other minorities, especially in urban ghettos and buroughs.

AA IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THE CRUSADE FOR EQUALITY IS ALSO NOT THE PROBLEM.

The problem is, and continues to be, the manipulation of the above-mentioned programs by political figures; i.e. Al Sharpton. The Civil Rights era was probably the greatest moment in American minority history; but somewhere along the way, the minority communities gave up and its leaders sold out. So now minority communities now perpetrate their poverty and their ignorance. Not even I, being half-African and half-Spanish (do not even call me Mexican ), would not be accepted in "da hood". So jobs and businesses and investments pull out of these communities and all they are left with are failing schools, drugs, and gangland warfare. The very few decent kids become trapped in this cycle, with the only chance for escape being programs like AA. And now with the rise of rap "music", the whole ghetto scene can be framed as "successful" - why else would middle class white kids being wearing FUBU and chains at their suburban high school?

So no, AA is not the problem. The quest for equal treatment is not the problem. The problem is a community ravaged by sellouts, drugs, the lack of education, and the absence of opportunities.

Now we can sit here and bitch and moan about how some white guy you never knew lost some low-paying McDonald's job to some black guy you never knew because of some program you have never been a part of, or we can try to address the issues.

My solution is that centers on education: the poor school districts do not have the money to sustain themselves or a viable educational environment. These districts should be federalized. The kids should be required to show up, take monthly drug tests, and partcipate in community service programs and athletic events. This will build a sense of community and equip the students with the proper capacities to excel in the workplace. Investments and jobs would gradually return and in the long term, the inner cities would become more or less "normal".

Or, we can press everyone in the ghetto into the service.

[mateo]

DarkLordoftheChris said:

There are 300 million people in America.

Just because a few of us are "non-biased" towards those of another skin color (the term race is a misnomer because there is no such thing!) does not indicate the remaining 299,999,995 people in this country are not. In fact, pre-judice is alive and well, not just by whites of course, but including Mexican, Asian, black, and other minorities, especially in urban ghettos and buroughs.

AA IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THE CRUSADE FOR EQUALITY IS ALSO NOT THE PROBLEM.

The problem is, and continues to be, the manipulation of the above-mentioned programs by political figures; i.e. Al Sharpton. The Civil Rights era was probably the greatest moment in American minority history; but somewhere along the way, the minority communities gave up and its leaders sold out. So now minority communities now perpetrate their poverty and their ignorance. Not even I, being half-African and half-Spanish (do not even call me Mexican ), would not be accepted in "da hood". So jobs and businesses and investments pull out of these communities and all they are left with are failing schools, drugs, and gangland warfare. The very few decent kids become trapped in this cycle, with the only chance for escape being programs like AA. And now with the rise of rap "music", the whole ghetto scene can be framed as "successful" - why else would middle class white kids being wearing FUBU and chains at their suburban high school?

So no, AA is not the problem. The quest for equal treatment is not the problem. The problem is a community ravaged by sellouts, drugs, the lack of education, and the absence of opportunities.

Now we can sit here and bitch and moan about how some white guy you never knew lost some low-paying McDonald's job to some black guy you never knew because of some program you have never been a part of, or we can try to address the issues.

My solution is that centers on education: the poor school districts do not have the money to sustain themselves or a viable educational environment. These districts should be federalized. The kids should be required to show up, take monthly drug tests, and partcipate in community service programs and athletic events. This will build a sense of community and equip the students with the proper capacities to excel in the workplace. Investments and jobs would gradually return and in the long term, the inner cities would become more or less "normal".

Or, we can press everyone in the ghetto into the service.

I've met more racist non-whites than racist whites.

[americanpride]

Mateo said:

I've met more racist non-whites than racist whites.

That's irrelevant. Racism has no quantity - it is racism no matter how many people "practice" it.

And largely, it depends on what you perceive to be racism. The black community already has an ingrained sense of being "different" from "mainstream" America - that is why they are generally more comfortable with people like Chris Rock who play upon this perception. The "white" community has a long established sense of being "normal" and "mainstream", and therefore are more uncomfortable when people (i.e. standups) play upon perceptions of differences. Why do you think whites (generally speaking of course) like Seinfeld more than Chris Rock, and blacks are vice versa?

Both communities are perceiving racism and "race" from two totally different perspectives. It's no wonder there are two totally different schools of thought on how to address it.

[mateo]

DarkLordoftheChris said:

That's irrelevant. Racism has no quantity - it is racism no matter how many people "practice" it.

And largely, it depends on what you perceive to be racism. The black community already has an ingrained sense of being "different" from "mainstream" America - that is why they are generally more comfortable with people like Chris Rock who play upon this perception. The "white" community has a long established sense of being "normal" and "mainstream", and therefore are more uncomfortable when people (i.e. standups) play upon perceptions of differences. Why do you think whites (generally speaking of course) like Seinfeld more than Chris Rock, and blacks are vice versa?

Both communities are perceiving racism and "race" from two totally different perspectives. It's no wonder there are two totally different schools of thought on how to address it.

People are more comfortable being around their own kind. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with racism. The bottom line is that I feel no sympathy for people who feel sorry for themselves.

[americanpride]

Mateo said:

People are more comfortable being around their own kind. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with racism. The bottom line is that I feel no sympathy for people who feel sorry for themselves.

That's not entirely true. I personally feel more comfortable around middle class kids, the majority of which are white. I've never been to the ghetto and I have no intention of travelling there.

Yes, people are more comfortable around what they perceive to be "normal". And as I stated in my last post, the white and black communities perceive "normal" from two different perspectives.

And I think it's grossly ignorant to say that all blacks "feel sorry for themselves". What about the motivated and aspiring youth who cannot escape the ghetto because of failed education systems and lack of jobs, while you simulatanously advocate eliminating the only program that could help him because you feel he's feeling sorry for himself?

All in all, everyone is at fault to some degree. And you can ignore the problem, sympathetic or not, but it will just continue to grow and you will just continue to be angry at the world.

[mateo]

DarkLordoftheChris said:

That's not entirely true. I personally feel more comfortable around middle class kids, the majority of which are white. I've never been to the ghetto and I have no intention of travelling there.

Yes, people are more comfortable around what they perceive to be "normal". And as I stated in my last post, the white and black communities perceive "normal" from two different perspectives.

And I think it's grossly ignorant to say that all blacks "feel sorry for themselves". What about the motivated and aspiring youth who cannot escape the ghetto because of failed education systems and lack of jobs, while you simulatanously advocate eliminating the only program that could help him because you feel he's feeling sorry for himself?

All in all, everyone is at fault to some degree. And you can ignore the problem, sympathetic or not, but it will just continue to grow and you will just continue to be angry at the world.

Please find the exact quote where I said that ALL blacks feel sorry for themselves.

[FightingFalcon]

Mateo said:

People are more comfortable being around their own kind. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with racism. The bottom line is that I feel no sympathy for people who feel sorry for themselves.

I agree 100%. Self-initiated segregation is a fact of life. For example, when I go to ROTC the majority of people there are black but there are a few of us whites. Naturally, in class we all sit next to each other while the black kids sit with each other. It's something I've been noticing for a long time now. Races, religions, etc. naturally bond with each other because they have something in common. If you scatter blacks and whites in a room, ultimately the room will be nearly completely segregated.

Chris, just one comment. You have to understand that some people just don't want to succeed in life. They live in a ghetto where the best source of money is selling drugs. Why work hard in school for a low-paying job when you can do nothing and sell drugs? It's the reason that a large portion of kids in the Bronx just don't show up for school anymore. The school fails them and they just don't care because they aren't gonna show up anyway.

You can't force people to be successful and work hard. Some people are just naturally lazy and want the easy way out. And this is why we have prisons.

PS - as I said yesterday, Affirmative Action is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND RACIST!! That's all.

[virginian]

Here's my suggestion about how to respond to the demand for "hate crimes" legislation:

Let's just declare all crimes "hate crimes" and enhance the punishment across the board. After all, whether the victim is black, white, pink or purple, they ain't carjacking him, breaking into his house or beatin' him up because they love him, you know.

[toejam]

That's what I have always said. I mean, if someone murders another, the cops could ask why and the guy, if honest, might say "I hated the sonofabitch. Couldn't stand him."