Atheists attacking Servicemen Memorial

[MARIO]

Resurrection Day 2005 -- The ultimate sacrifice
Mark Alexander


March 25, 2005

"The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations."
--George Washington

Christ's Resurrection, appropriately celebrated each year as the dormant season of winter yields to new life in spring, reinforces our belief that life can arise miraculously from the hard darkness of apparent death. This Easter 2005, our nation is still at war, and our warriors are still arrayed against those who would do us harm. Yet we see hopeful signs. Those we have liberated are rising courageously and are determinedly learning the complementary arts of self-government and self-defense.

We acknowledge the sacrifices of our service members who put themselves at risk to protect us in various ways. When in defense of our liberties they lay down their lives in battle, we say they have given the ultimate sacrifice -- and we often honor them with a cross to shelter their graves.

One such memorial stands on a hill overlooking San Diego in Southern California, where a 43-foot cross adorns a 170-acre parcel of land that was dedicated to public use in 1916 as "Mt. Soledad Natural Park." The Mt. Soledad Memorial Association was formed in 1952 with the following mission: "To enhance and preserve the Mt. Soledad Veterans' Memorial honoring those veterans who have served our country during times of conflict and to educate the general public about service to our country and the sacrifices that veterans make to preserve the freedoms we enjoy as Americans."


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[zstuf]

Townhall isn't exactly a non-biased website, and as such fails to inform the reader of both sides of the legal battle.

Is this the Sunrise Rock Memorial in the Mojave Desert?

If so, then there is much more going on than attacking the Religious freedoms of Christianity.

If not, do you have more information, or other articles on the Mt. Soledad National Park battle?

[toejam]

I love it when people talk about Townhall or Newsmax being biased sites - they would rather have you read their biased sites.

The Mt. Soledad issue is not exactly breaking news. It's just another atheist malcontent trying to stir up shit - again.

[zstuf]

The Sunrise rock has a lot of validity to the legal battle.

It does seem that the Mt. Soledad Cross is a completely different ball of wax.

The Mt. Soledad Cross is actually complementing the location as a valid landmark and there is a memorial, not just a cross bolted in a rock on top of a hill.

The only thing I must ask is, would you move to a community that had a 60 foot recreation of a Kaaba?

If not; what would stop an Islamic community somewhere in the U.S. from erecting one as part of a memorial?

The concept of driving by a 60 foot tall Kaaba every day would not sit well with me, and unfortunately, the Cross on Mt Soledad could become a casualty of the argument that prevents such an act.

[MARIO]

zstuf said:

The Sunrise rock has a lot of validity to the legal battle.

It does seem that the Mt. Soledad Cross is a completely different ball of wax.

The Mt. Soledad Cross is actually complementing the location as a valid landmark and there is a memorial, not just a cross bolted in a rock on top of a hill.

The only thing I must ask is, would you move to a community that had a 60 foot recreation of a Kaaba?

If not; what would stop an Islamic community somewhere in the U.S. from erecting one as part of a memorial?

The concept of driving by a 60 foot tall Kaaba every day would not sit well with me, and unfortunately, the Cross on Mt Soledad could become a casualty of the argument that prevents such an act.

Are you a poster over at THC?

[zstuf]

mario said:

zstuf said:

The Sunrise rock has a lot of validity to the legal battle.

It does seem that the Mt. Soledad Cross is a completely different ball of wax.

The Mt. Soledad Cross is actually complementing the location as a valid landmark and there is a memorial, not just a cross bolted in a rock on top of a hill.

The only thing I must ask is, would you move to a community that had a 60 foot recreation of a Kaaba?

If not; what would stop an Islamic community somewhere in the U.S. from erecting one as part of a memorial?

The concept of driving by a 60 foot tall Kaaba every day would not sit well with me, and unfortunately, the Cross on Mt Soledad could become a casualty of the argument that prevents such an act.

Are you a poster over at THC?

Yep that's me, lost and confused in a new forest.........

You have probably already read my theory on fueding religious advocates............

When dealing with the issue of "separation between church and state", the prevalent point of view or attitude of most religious groups goes like this:

Your Religion has no place in government, the school my children attend, public buildings, or government owned land. Should my children or I be exposed to your religion, you have violated my rights. I shall fight tooth and nail to have it removed, and will stop anyone who attempts to speak of a religion other than mine at public gatherings or buildings. To insure this the separation of church and state will be my battle cry.

And:

My Religion must be or become the mainstream, it must be allowed everywhere, and if you try to stop my religion, you have violated my rights. I have the right to free speech, and maintaining the status quo, the amount of time my religious symbol has been in place, and the history of this country will be the battle cry.

[101ABN]

So which point of view do you favor?

Or do you find both equally absurd?

[zstuf]

soledadnational.com/

This web page has one of the most comprehensive pictures I have found so far.

There is more here than just the cross, which is much more than two pieces of pipe bolted to the ground. I believe it is apropriate for what the park and monument represents.

My personal opinion is a church should purchase the land from the City. The legal battle would be handled better this way rather than handing the land to the Federal Government which will end up having to defend the Cross in much the same way the Sunrise Rock Cross came under fire.

If it becomes a National Monument then what would keep the park from becoming a parking lot for every conceivable religious symbol.

I'm sure somebody will come along and either raise private funds or figure out how to siphon some Federal monies and demand that their religious symbol be erected a few hundred feet away within the Federal National Park if the City hands it over.

The whole thing is lose, lose, there has been a whole bunch of money spent on lawyers fees to this point, and I bet Making it a National Monument would simply invite more lawyers seeking their little piece of litigation cash.

I'm pretty sure that the money revenue that the lawyers expect to get from the Federal government is what stirs the pot here, and not the actual offensiveness of the Cross.

[leftisthater]

toejam said:

I love it when people talk about Townhall or Newsmax being biased sites - they would rather have you read their biased sites.

The Mt. Soledad issue is not exactly breaking news. It's just another atheist malcontent trying to stir up shit - again.

What I will never understand is this:

If Atheists are so sure that there isn't a g*d (I refuse to use that title in a negative way and fully speel it out), why the heck do they care if us knuckle-draggers want to practice it? Can they not just be happy enough to leave the rest of us unenlightened fools alone?

Granted, I know there aren't too many atheists knocking on you door trying to hand out any books, but there are some of them out there doing what they can to try to silence us.