Peter tempted in threes

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After doing exactly what he claimed he would do: 34"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times."

35But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you." And all the other disciples said the same.


Who drew his sword and struck the high priest's nephew? Who was willing to die right there for the Lord?

But. Peter did deny Christ three times just five hours later.

How many times was Peter told to kill and eat?

Acts 10:9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.


How many times did Christ ask him if he loved Him?

John 21: 16Again Jesus said, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me?"
He answered, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."
Jesus said, "Take care of my sheep."

17The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?"
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."

18Jesus said, "Feed my sheep. I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go."


There is something bugging me about Peter having to experience things in threes? What is the significance of this?

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tits said:

After doing exactly what he claimed he would do: 34"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times."

35But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you." And all the other disciples said the same.


Who drew his sword and struck the high priest's nephew? Who was willing to die right there for the Lord?

But. Peter did deny Christ three times just five hours later.

How many times was Peter told to kill and eat?

Acts 10:9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.


How many times did Christ ask him if he loved Him?

John 21: 16Again Jesus said, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me?"
He answered, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."
Jesus said, "Take care of my sheep."

17The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?"
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."

18Jesus said, "Feed my sheep. I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go."


There is something bugging me about Peter having to experience things in threes? What is the significance of this?

Tittus,
Other than the fact that Jesus wanted to strongly impress upon Peter the things that he was saying, what other meaning could there be?

Please note, that when Jesus told Peter to feed my lambs and feed my sheep, Jesus was talking to Peter by himself. Peter, the first Pope of the Catholic Church. Jesus didn't say these words to anyone else.



C.

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tits said:

Peter, the first Pope of the Catholic Church. Jesus didn't say these words to anyone else.



C.

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Great dig sister!

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No dig, Just facts!

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By the way Tittus, I am not your sister. I am your big brother that could probably pound the crap out of you.

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full of hot air.

Sorry, I thought that you told someone that you were a woman.

I'm 6'3", cancer survivor and have been bloodied a few times and seen my share of death. I was a baby marine in Danang in 71, who was medical retired from the navy reserve in 97, and did occupational environmental medicine as a civilian for the army. Are you challenging me?

Let's see, up state New York? Hmmmmm. That is Attica uh?

I have been all over New York and even done environmental audits to remove radiological waste from Fort Drum and Griffis AFB. I have done work at Massena to remove PCB laden sediment from the Seaway. Upstate is perhaps one of the most beautiful regions in the entire US. It call also be bitterly cold.

You are native American from Up-State. Living in a strong Catholic community. That leaves only three or four cities. Am I wrong to guess that you also speak French?

A weary old man who would rather use firepower than fists!

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I'm not from upstate New York, although I was born in Buffalo. We moved away from there after my father died from wounds suffered on Okinawa during WWII. I was raised in the absolutely roughest section of Cleveland. Sicilians and Southern Italians against the world. We always won. I'm not as ready to get into a physical conflict as in the past, but I still would if the occasion called for it. If someone called me "sister", they better be prepared to backup what they say or apologize.
I took French in High School. It was a waste of time.
Everything said doesn't change anything. You are still a Protestant and in the dark about most things concerning Christianity. When are you Protestants going to get the fact that your religions are wrong?? There is only one true Christian religion and it is the Catholic religion.

C.

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We use to do a lot of work at the old LTV steel plant.

I was a ceramic engineer after my first degree and worked as a construction engineer for a refractory company. I traveled the steel corridor many times in that job. Eventually it took me all over the world. I have been in blasts furnaces from the old US Steel Provost plant to People Steel (now Mittal) in Kiev, Ukraine and Pohang Iron and Steel Limited in Pohang ROK. My latter years in the refractory installation had me in the oil exploration and refinning. There too I was all over the world, including Kuwait National Petroleum in 1987.

But the old steel world is gone and I greatly miss it. It was the decline in heavy industry and the need to know industrial and environmental hygiene that forced me back to school in 1987. But that lead to different life.

My hats off to your father. Those old combat grunts really went through hell. I joined the Corps because of family connection to WWII combat veterans.

Did you see Flags of Our Fathers or Letters Home From Iwo Jima? It was almost tooooooo muucccchhhh for this old man.

Thanks for the debate on faith. It is fun.

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Two of the themes centered around food. What is this that Pete had to be taught in threes? On the surface it appears to have something to do with selfish desire. At Caiaphas' it was self preservation. For the breakfast of fish with Christ it was driving home the point that Pete had to get out and do God's will. The same is true for the sheet of nasty critters. The same could be said about Paul's admonition after the Jerusalem in 50-51.

There is something significant about this and it is much deeper than Pete to be the first Pope.

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tits said:

We use to do a lot of work at the old LTV steel plant.

I was a ceramic engineer after my first degree and worked as a construction engineer for a refractory company. I traveled the steel corridor many times in that job. Eventually it took me all over the world. I have been in blasts furnaces from the old US Steel Provost plant to People Steel (now Mittal) in Kiev, Ukraine and Pohang Iron and Steel Limited in Pohang ROK. My latter years in the refractory installation had me in the oil exploration and refinning. There too I was all over the world, including Kuwait National Petroleum in 1987.

But the old steel world is gone and I greatly miss it. It was the decline in heavy industry and the need to know industrial and environmental hygiene that forced me back to school in 1987. But that lead to different life.

My hats off to your father. Those old combat grunts really went through hell. I joined the Corps because of family connection to WWII combat veterans.

Did you see Flags of Our Fathers or Letters Home From Iwo Jima? It was almost tooooooo muucccchhhh for this old man.

Thanks for the debate on faith. It is fun.

I worked at that LTV Steel Mill for five years. It was actually before LTV bought out Jones and Laughlin Steel Mill and Republic Steel. I worked for Jones and Laughlin.

You've travelled quite a bit. Lots of experience in Steel Mills.

My father actually died of leukemia. While on Okinawa we exploded the 'bombs' on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After the atomic bombs went off there were really great thunderstorms on Okinawa. The rain was laden with nuclear fallout. My father lived outside and was constantly bathed in radiation. He died in 1951.

His younger brother was on Iwo Jima. He was a radio operator with the Marines. He fought all over the South Pacific and ended up on Iwo Jimo. He survived. He told me that at one point he was surrounded by dead GI's. If he so much as moved his hand, snipers would have shot him. Uncle John died two years ago.

I saw "Letters from Home". It was fascinating.

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tits said:

Two of the themes centered around food. What is this that Pete had to be taught in threes? On the surface it appears to have something to do with selfish desire. At Caiaphas' it was self preservation. For the breakfast of fish with Christ it was driving home the point that Pete had to get out and do God's will. The same is true for the sheet of nasty critters. The same could be said about Paul's admonition after the Jerusalem in 50-51.

There is something significant about this and it is much deeper than Pete to be the first Pope.

I think your going after a foul ball!!

C.

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Like you my family is military going way back.

My mother had four brothers, a brother-in-law, and six cousins who saw combat in the Pacific during the war. That scene from Saving Private Ryan when the drive up to the country home on the hill shakes me to tears. My grandmother raised 12 kids and during the war had one daughter-in-law move in with them. With the five older sons out and on their on (one was 4f) the house was still really crowded. There is a family legend about the time the MIA notice was delivered. You can see it in the film "The Sinking of the Cooper, the Battle of Ormoc Bay." The film was just released and we are in it. Within two months, my mother's family received two killed in action notices (Uncle June was moved to KIA in Jan and a cousin was killed with the 4th marine on Iwo).

My favorite uncle survived Iwo and then served for six months in Nagasaki with the occupation forces. Was your father with the 5th Marine? The 4th Marine and a few from the 3rd Marine were the only Marine units who saw multiple combat operations during the war. Uncle Del said that he knew that he would have been killed if they had done the landings on Kyushu as planned for October 45. He died of lung cancer in 02.

My father was radio-operator as a foreword observer with the USAF in Korea, his brother was a radio-operator with the 82nd FArty in Korea, and a cousin was with the army (he was killed).

During Vietnam, eleven of us cousins donned the uniform and five of us served in Vietnam, a cousin was killed in April 69 outside of Hue City.

My heart goes out to all veterans and their families. The families are the real heroes. Those people have to sit tight and pray. What a helpless feeling. Two of our sons have served in Iraq back in 03 and a cousin and now his wife have served there too.

What shop did you work in at the mill?

I was only in the south plant twice, isn't that were the old 250 ton electromelt unit was. The other plant did rolling mill stuff. Or was the coking furnace in the south plant.

I really enjoined the old USS then Roebling plant in Buffalo. It seems that we were in there numerous times to reline those soaking pits.

I almost died once at the old USS plant in Gary. We were testing a new torpedo ladle insulating refractory over by the BOP shop. We were using insulting ceramic fiber blankets to cover the ladle after the pour into the teaming ladles. It was about 3:30 a.m. when I stumbled over a half-full ladle. Some how I grabbed this ¼" cable that we had been using as I swung out over the ladle. My greens were smoking by the time I put my feet back on the landing. This black mill wright that was working with me looked at me and laughed: "Sheeit whatcha been doin! Yer pants, days a smok'n". I told the super doing the after incident report, that they'd have to cast that pour aside as I had a pocket full of pennies.

Sorry for the ramble. Just wanted to let you know a little about this old Protestant. I still believe that it up to the Judge and is not found in a single "earthly church". (note lower case c)

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Like you my family is military going way back.

My mother had four brothers, a brother-in-law, and six cousins who saw combat in the Pacific during the war. That scene from Saving Private Ryan when the drive up to the country home on the hill shakes me to tears. My grandmother raised 12 kids and during the war had one daughter-in-law move in with them. With the five older sons out and on their on (one was 4f) the house was still really crowded. There is a family legend about the time the MIA notice was delivered. You can see it in the film "The Sinking of the Cooper, the Battle of Ormoc Bay." The film was just released and we are in it. Within two months, my mother's family received two killed in action notices (Uncle June was moved to KIA in Jan and a cousin was killed with the 4th marine on Iwo).

My favorite uncle survived Iwo and then served for six months in Nagasaki with the occupation forces. Was your father with the 5th Marine? The 4th Marine and a few from the 3rd Marine were the only Marine units who saw multiple combat operations during the war. Uncle Del said that he knew that he would have been killed if they had done the landings on Kyushu as planned for October 45. He died of lung cancer in 02.

My father was radio-operator as a foreword observer with the USAF in Korea, his brother was a radio-operator with the 82nd FArty in Korea, and a cousin was with the army (he was killed).

During Vietnam, eleven of us cousins donned the uniform and five of us served in Vietnam, a cousin was killed in April 69 outside of Hue City.

My heart goes out to all veterans and their families. The families are the real heroes. Those people have to sit tight and pray. What a helpless feeling. Two of our sons have served in Iraq back in 03 and a cousin and now his wife have served there too.

What shop did you work in at the mill?

I was only in the south plant twice, isn't that were the old 250 ton electromelt unit was. The other plant did rolling mill stuff. Or was the coking furnace in the south plant.

I really enjoined the old USS then Roebling plant in Buffalo. It seems that we were in there numerous times to reline those soaking pits.

I almost died once at the old USS plant in Gary. We were testing a new torpedo ladle insulating refractory over by the BOP shop. We were using insulting ceramic fiber blankets to cover the ladle after the pour into the teaming ladles. It was about 3:30 a.m. when I stumbled over a half-full ladle. Some how I grabbed this ¼" cable that we had been using as I swung out over the ladle. My greens were smoking by the time I put my feet back on the landing. This black mill wright that was working with me looked at me and laughed: "Sheeit whatcha been doin! Yer pants, days a smok'n". I told the super doing the after incident report, that they'd have to cast that pour aside as I had a pocket full of pennies.

Sorry for the ramble. Just wanted to let you know a little about this old Protestant. I still believe that it up to the Judge and is not found in a single "earthly church". (note lower case c)

Tittus,
My Dad was in the CB's. I have to look up the regiment that he was with. Uncle John was in the Marines. Uncle Frank fought in North Africa, Italy, France, and Germany. He came home a wealthy man. Everyone got their back pay before coming home. They played poker for the whole trip. Uncle Frank won.

The Steel Mills are dangerous places to work. Between 5 and 7 men were killed every year at J&L Steel. I was in the armature winding shop. We went out into the mill and did maintenance work on all the motor-generators.
This mill had an 80 inch hot strip mill. They had a lot of other things also, like the pickling slitter mill. While I was there they had an electric furnace nicknamed the "Lazy Susan". We worked a lot of doubles. It's OK for a young guy, but you wouldn't see me going back there ever again. I feel absolutely no romance about working in that place.
J&L was West of the Cuyahoga river. Republic was on the East side. LTV bought them both out.

I often wonder what the world would look like if WWII would have never happened.

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