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Post by FightingFalcon on May 6, 2006 15:13:23 GMT -8
"The problem is you are more willing to fight your fellow Americans than the foreign invasion."
Because I think my fellow Americans are much more dangerous than any foreign invasion ever will be. The only people who could ever destroy the American Experiment is us.
"Of course not. Your tune will change when you actually have to start paying for it."
Gee - what are those things called taxes that are taken out of paychecks?
"Oh please...How many people do you think are in prison for smoking pot?"
I think the latest figures were something around 80% for drug-related charges.
"Then again, you support the Republic and the rule of law, don't you."
Until the law changes, I have to support it. Fortunately for me, so do you. That means until something changes, we have to follow the Geneva Convention.
Or are those laws just unimportant?
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Post by 101ABN on May 6, 2006 17:32:13 GMT -8
Don't evade the question.
You made a bullshit statement that we should release everybody that's in prison for being a potsmoker.
I asked you how many do you think are in prison fro smoking pot and you run off on a tangent called drug-related charges.
So I guess you see smuggling cocaine, manufacturing methamphetamine and running a crackhouse as being equivalent to smoking pot?
"Until the law changes, I have to support it. Fortunately for me, so do you. That means until something changes, we have to follow the Geneva Convention."
Help me out here. WTF do the Geneva Conventions have to do with smoking pot or illegal aliens?
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 5:32:38 GMT -8
Had I not read this with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it.
A true kossack. You're damn sure no "freeper."
You know, now that I look at your statement, I think there is actually some truth to it.
The only thing is that it's America-hating liberals like YOU that are trying to bring an end to this country.
You think:
America and Americans are the real enemy here. We don't deserve what we have. We must give it up and be miserable like everyone else in the world or it just isn't "fair." They can break our laws and we can't do anything about it. They can hit us as hard as they want and we can't hit back. They can murder innocent, unarmed and unaware Americans and we should really make an attempt to "understand" them. It's US who is really at fault. You know, for all those international laws we've violated.
I think becoming a commissioned officer is going to be one of the biggest mistakes you have ever made.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 7, 2006 5:54:58 GMT -8
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 6:01:31 GMT -8
Not so fast... 101 is talking about being in jail for "smoking." There are tons of marijuana "offenses" besides simply smoking pot. I'd venture to guess that most of those are there for "trafficking" and not "smoking." You still haven't answered his question. |
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 6:06:18 GMT -8
101 said:
I agree wholeheartedly!
I think what we see here is a basic problem with "enemy identification."
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 7, 2006 6:12:44 GMT -8
"A true kossack. You're damn sure no "freeper.""
Yea, I'm a kossack for wanting to UPHOLD the Republic. What the hell is wrong with you Bob?
"The only thing is that it's America-hating liberals like YOU that are trying to bring an end to this country."
Again, I don't care about the country. I care about the Constitution. If that makes me an America-hater, whatever.
You know who my heroes are Bob? So that you can try to understand where I'm coming from on this issue, let me quote a few of them.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
Let us, then, endeavor carefully to guard this happy state of things by keeping a watchful eye over the disaffection of wealth and ambition to the republican principles of our Constitution, and by sacrificing all our local and personal interests to the cultivation of the Union and maintenance of the authority of the laws."
"We are to guard against ourselves; not against ourselves as we are, but as we may be; for who can imagine what we may become under circumstances not now imaginable?"
"The preservation of the holy fire [of liberty] is confided to us by the world, and the sparks which will emanate from it will ever serve to rekindle it in other quarters of the globe."
"For we must consider that we shall be as a City upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. Soe that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world."
Those dirty America haters! Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson and John Winthrop - those evil dirty liberals. I could get extremely similar quotes from Washington, Adams, Madison, Monroe, etc. I think you get the point though.
"We don't deserve what we have."
Go ahead, get me started on economics. I will show you just how radical I am.
"They can hit us as hard as they want and we can't hit back."
I oppose OIF and OEF? News to me.
"They can murder innocent, unarmed and unaware Americans and we should really make an attempt to "understand" them."
Here we go again, comparing American troops to terrorists. How come terrorists can murder little children but we can't? I mean, do I have to answer this? Do I honestly have to answer this shit?
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 7, 2006 6:17:46 GMT -8
"I think what we see here is a basic problem with "enemy identification."
Feel free to point out where I said that I won't fight foreign enemies.
I think that, like the Roman Republic, my fellow Americans are more dangerous than any foreign military ever could be. Could anyone militarily conquer us? It's never going to happen. But internal corruption is absolutely possible.
That goes equally for conservatives and liberals. The funny part is that you assume that I feel that conservatives are more a threat than liberals are. You couldn't be further from the truth....
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Post by 101ABN on May 7, 2006 6:54:58 GMT -8
You still haven't answered the question.
Smoking marijuana won't get you sent to prison..
One marijuana offense, other than trafficking won't get you sent to prison.
If you have multiple felonies and you get popped for a marijuana offense you WILL go to prison as you goddam well should.
It's used as a third (or thirteenth) strike prosecution behind numerous convictions and/or parole violations.
Tell me again how that's a bad thing.
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 7:04:38 GMT -8
Well, we could start with the illegal aliens. You're unwilling to do anything about that "foreign enemy."
Yeah and people that think like you do - those that accept criminal activity - are a BIG part of that internal corruption.
You don't know what a "conservative" is.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 7, 2006 7:07:41 GMT -8
I was thinking of responding to this post (and the other one), but then I thought to myself...why do I give a shit what you think?
I don't care what you think of me Bob, I really don't. I'm done trying to explain myself to you. You can continue to think that I'm a liberal but I really don't give a shit.
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 7:37:11 GMT -8
I don't think you should give a shit what I think.
You're bullshit is pretty thin though.
You say you're willing to defend the Constitution, yet you are NOT willing to defend our immigration laws, or, from what I can tell, our drug laws. You want to let druggies OUT of jail and put US servicemen IN jail.
You continue to wrap yourself in the UCMJ and then, from what I can see, you go violate it yourself as you violate our drug laws.
You say you want to go into "security" yet you oppose our national security. I have no earthly idea why you should be trusted with "security."
You say you will defend this country against all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC, and you capitalize DOMESTIC because you think Americans are the real danger and America is the real problem. That is, except all the druggies. They're no danger to this country and should be released.
Those are ACLU attitudes. As far as I'm concerned, the ACLU is one of the more serious threats to this country.
How you can look at yourself as being radically Right is incomprehensible.
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Post by jfree on May 7, 2006 10:57:57 GMT -8
Hey guys, we are all friends here. This isn't THC, thank god. We are just coming from very different generations and different environments of thought. I can understand why one would think hey they just want a better life, but at what expense to the US? We do need to protect our own first.
As for the potsmoking, it is very common today and even legal here in AK, so knowing both alcoholics and potheads, if I had to choose between them I would choose the potheads everytime, so I can see where FF is coming from. Lets just play nice here. FF please read the posting I made on your topic last night so you can see the costs of illegals and amnesty.
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Post by bounce on May 7, 2006 11:19:42 GMT -8
Hey guys, we are all friends here. This isn't THC, thank god. We are just coming from very different generations and different environments of thought. I can understand why one would think hey they just want a better life, but at what expense to the US? We do need to protect our own first. As for the potsmoking, it is very common today and even legal here in AK, so knowing both alcoholics and potheads, if I had to choose between them I would choose the potheads everytime, so I can see where FF is coming from. Lets just play nice here. FF please read the posting I made on your topic last night so you can see the costs of illegals and amnesty. Military members are NOT allowed to smoke pot even IF it's legal where they are. That's what the UCMJ is all about. We have to abide local laws where they're MORE restrictive and the UCMJ when they're less. Choosing between the two (alcohol and pot) isn't relevant. Falcon is supposedly going to school to learn how to be a commissioned officer. If the USAF is covering any of his tuition, then YOU AND I are subsidizing it. I can't comprehend that the USAF isn't drug testing the candidates from time to time. That shit is absolutely unacceptable in the USAF. |
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Post by jfree on May 7, 2006 11:40:32 GMT -8
Bounce, I wasn't directing this at you alone. I don't think FF said he smoked pot, he just didn't think it was a big deal if people do. I did when I was a teen, but realized it just made me dumb so quit a long long time ago.
I just wanted to try to help you all get along and not say anything to where you couldn't be friends here anymore. A voice of decent helps us to keep the conversation going. I like talking to all of you, just didn't want anyone to go away.
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