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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 15:06:40 GMT -8
The Republicans will give their political careers up for the wetbacks. Here's an article from Rush (emphases are mine): RUSH: I want to touch on some of the rebellion. There is a rebellion among Republicans taking place, ladies and gentlemen. The Republican Party itself is missing it. Of course, the Drive-By Media is missing it. It all started in the little town called Herndon, Virginia, where incumbent Republicans who had thought that they were being magnanimous and big-hearted, opened a day labor center for illegal immigrants (AKA wetbacks), and the people that started it and operated it, held elective office were thrown out of office in a primary.
The same thing happened in North Carolina. People who were all in favor of in-state tuition for illegal immigrant children (AKA wetback, snot-nosed, crumb crunchers) and so forth, in Republican primaries were thrown out. These country club, blue-blood, Rockefeller-type Republicans were dispatched, and conservative Republicans won. "Angry taxpayers on Tuesday tossed out the two Republican Senate leaders who helped engineer last year's legislative pay raise, an issue that apparently cost 15 House members their jobs, too. Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer of Altoona, and Senate Majority Leader David Brightbill of Lebanon County conceded to their challengers, becoming the first lawmakers in major leadership posts to lose a primary election in 42 years. There's more: www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051706/content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html |
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 15:25:55 GMT -8
The Republicans will give their political careers up for the wetbacks. Here's an article from Rush (emphases are mine): RUSH: I want to touch on some of the rebellion. There is a rebellion among Republicans taking place, ladies and gentlemen. The Republican Party itself is missing it. Of course, the Drive-By Media is missing it. It all started in the little town called Herndon, Virginia, where incumbent Republicans who had thought that they were being magnanimous and big-hearted, opened a day labor center for illegal immigrants (AKA wetbacks), and the people that started it and operated it, held elective office were thrown out of office in a primary.
The same thing happened in North Carolina. People who were all in favor of in-state tuition for illegal immigrant children (AKA wetback, snot-nosed, crumb crunchers) and so forth, in Republican primaries were thrown out. These country club, blue-blood, Rockefeller-type Republicans were dispatched, and conservative Republicans won. "Angry taxpayers on Tuesday tossed out the two Republican Senate leaders who helped engineer last year's legislative pay raise, an issue that apparently cost 15 House members their jobs, too. Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer of Altoona, and Senate Majority Leader David Brightbill of Lebanon County conceded to their challengers, becoming the first lawmakers in major leadership posts to lose a primary election in 42 years. There's more: www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051706/content/america_s_anchorman.guest.htmlI love Rush and always have but this is over blown if you think this is a sign that your ideas will in fact take over and be implemented you are wrong. It was the pay raise in PA that really got them the boot. The ground swell of more conservative candidates is something I support and have been advocating since Specter stabbed Bork in the back. If you listened to the show like I do every day I have a subscription. Rush conceded my point on the economics of this issue. Oh and he got the phrase "Having more fun then a human being should be allowed" from me back in 1992 when I called in to discuss homosexuals marching in the St Patrick's day parade. You don't have to believe me but it's true and every time I hear him say it I love it. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 16:45:34 GMT -8
I thought you might have an input on this.
No, I don't listen to Rush regularly. I listen infrequently, but it's not because I don't like him. I'm just generally doing other shit. I'm not a subscriber.
Plus, I can catch the high-points in 15 minutes on his web site.
Now, I did listen today however.
I disagree with what you say about Rush and wet back economics. I heard him say (TODAY) the EXACT OPPOSITE.
He said it was the BIGGEST government welfare program in history! He said that today!
Think about it. If you cannot remember, I will explain when he said it.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 17:22:03 GMT -8
I thought you might have an input on this. No, I don't listen to Rush regularly. I listen infrequently, but it's not because I don't like him. I'm just generally doing other shit. I'm not a subscriber. Plus, I can catch the high-points in 15 minutes on his web site. Now, I did listen today however. I disagree with what you say about Rush and wet back economics. I heard him say (TODAY) the EXACT OPPOSITE. He said it was the BIGGEST government welfare program in history! He said that today! Think about it. If you cannot remember, I will explain when he said it. I can listen to the show at my leisure I have a subscripting and yes he did concede the economic point I've been making here. I will admit I think he is on your side of the issue, but he also knows there is a principled dissent. He noted it when he brought up the hypocrisy of those who are all gung ho for the war on drugs and at the same time for open borders. ( I oppose an open border) I've spoken with Rush in the past when he was here in the New York city area. I just sent him an e-mail lets see if he answers my concerns over this internal debate within the conservative movement. Here is the e-mail I sent: Illegal aliens and Immigration bill fantasies There happen to be millions of small business in the United States, we are simply not going to be able to enforce a law preventing illegals from being hired. The idea that we are going to be able to round up 11 million illegals and send them home is a fantasy. The idea that we are going to be able to arrest a few small businessmen and make an example of them, to force compliance from other small businessmen is another fantasy. We would have to create a whole new bureaucracy to enforce these laws. To guarantee compliance the threat would have to be near certainty of being arrested if an illegal is hired, and there is no way we are going to be able to make that happen. Short of turning the country into a police state. As conservatives we need to deal with reality as it is, not as we would want it to be. My single most important issue is our security, and the war on islamo-fascists. The border presents a real threat to our security, and we need to secure it. That is not going to happen if we are not going to deal with this issue honestly. If we travel down the road of thinking we can force our will on the market. We are going to end up having razor wire, land mines, and machine gun nests on our southern border, and still fail to secure it. Just because we may want to solve a problem a certain way does not mean it can be solved that way, if only we are determined enough. Labor like drugs is a commodity, all commodities that are in demand will find a way to market. That is part of the genius of the market. If we want to solve a problem like illegal aliens coming here from Mexico. We need to take the market forces involved into account. We can't stop drugs from entering maximum security prisons due to the market forces involved, but still some persist to think that we can seal the border while ignoring market forces. It's a fantasy to believe we can secure the border and ignore market realities. Some have said we can dry up demand for illegal labor by arresting a few of those nasty evil businessmen as an example to the rest of them. Well that isn't going to work, the threat needs to be credible to work, and we are not going to turn the country into a police state in order to make that threat credible. Did arresting drug users work to dry up the demand for drugs? I’m not suggesting you vilified anyone Rush, but we now have people in the conservative movement who are doing just that. I also fear we now have xenophobes infiltrating the conservative movement under the cover this issue affords them. If I’m right and I think I am, this could spell real danger to the long term success of spreading our ideas. It is time to wake up from these enforcement only fantasies. To stop those who are vilifying people who come here to make a better life for themselves, and those who hire them. Even if enforcement only is what 100% of the population wants, it doesn’t not matter if it isn’t possible. Reality is what it is, and it cares not what poll numbers say about what we want to think is the reality of the situation. It is past the time to start working on real solutions to our border security. PS. This is from the guy that gave you the line “having more fun than a human being should be allowed” and I still am. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 17:56:21 GMT -8
You said:
Labor like drugs is a commodity, all commodities that are in demand will find a way to market.
Well, here's the thing...
Stolen cars are a "commodity" too, but that doesn't mean we should tolerate it (as in LEGALIZE and LEGITIMIZE it).
I hope he answers you.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 18:48:39 GMT -8
You said: Labor like drugs is a commodity, all commodities that are in demand will find a way to market. Well, here's the thing... Stolen cars are a "commodity" too, but that doesn't mean we should tolerate it (as in LEGALIZE and LEGITIMIZE it). I hope he answers you. Ya and drugs are illegal I hope he does too |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 18:54:55 GMT -8
Well, not so!
The drug he was/is addicted to is totally legal. He was simply accused of getting it inappropriately.
He admits his addiction, he never admitted illegal behavior. He was just charged with a crime. AND, those charges were dropped BTW.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 18:59:32 GMT -8
Well, not so! The drug he was/is addicted to is totally legal. He was simply accused of getting it inappropriately. He admits his addiction, he never admitted illegal behavior. He was just charged with a crime. AND, those charges were dropped BTW. I wasn't refering to Rush with the drug thing it was in reference to the car thing |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 19:11:30 GMT -8
Well, not so! The drug he was/is addicted to is totally legal. He was simply accused of getting it inappropriately. He admits his addiction, he never admitted illegal behavior. He was just charged with a crime. AND, those charges were dropped BTW. I wasn't refering to Rush with the drug thing it was in reference to the car thing OK, now I see what you meant. I guess you would be a Governor Gary Johnson "Legalize drugs" guy too. Governor Gary was my former Governor. That guy went off the deep end after his second term as Gov. He was a multimillionaire (he owned a construction company that probably hired illegals for all I know). He was a super straight laced kinda guy, real intelligent, military hair cut and rich (self-made rich). He used to train six hours a day and do a triathalon a month. He'd do the Iron Man every year. After his last term he climbed Mt. Everest (made it to the summit, too). The next time I saw him, his hair was down to the middle of his back and in a French braid. He divorced his wife of 40 years and took up with a consort less than half his age. He was probably doing some of that loco-weed to totally go off like that. What the hell. If you're going to go off the edge, you may as well wait until you're over 60, a multimultimultimillionaire and are still looking good enough to run with women old enough to be your youngest daughter. |
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 19:48:09 GMT -8
I wasn't refering to Rush with the drug thing it was in reference to the car thing OK, now I see what you meant. I guess you would be a Governor Gary Johnson "Legalize drugs" guy too. Governor Gary was my former Governor. That guy went off the deep end after his second term as Gov. He was a multimillionaire (he owned a construction company that probably hired illegals for all I know). He was a super straight laced kinda guy, real intelligent, military hair cut and rich (self-made rich). He used to train six hours a day and do a triathalon a month. He'd do the Iron Man every year. After his last term he climbed Mt. Everest (made it to the summit, too). The next time I saw him, his hair was down to the middle of his back and in a French braid. He divorced his wife of 40 years and took up with a consort less than half his age. He was probably doing some of that loco-weed to totally go off like that. What the hell. If you're going to go off the edge, you may as well wait until you're over 60, a multimultimultimillionaire and are still looking good enough to run with women old enough to be your youngest daughter. Another topic I've always avoided around here, ya I think it is inevitable anyway. The war on drugs has gotten us no where and is in fact helping to fund our enemies. I'm in good company as far as conservative cred goes. Both Milton Friedman and WF Buckley share this point of view. I do not advocate their use and hope once it happens they lose their forbidden fruit appeal they currently have for the young ones. You know I really like being able to hash these ideas out over the internet but geez sometimes I get so dang worked up and emotional and it really hurt me when it seemed you had questioned my loyalty. I have always loved this country even before I had any intention of living here myself. I used to argue with Canadians and would be dismissed as an Yankee lover. I used to hate Canadians who would define who they were by how anti-American they could be. I would tell them your only displaying your own insecurity and you have nothing to be insecure about. No one ever listened to me. It was 911 that cemented my identity as an American, even if I were to move back to Canada I would always be an American just not one living at home and missing being here. I love this country and have always thought it was the greatest nation the world has ever known. Anyway please do me a favor don't question my loyalty again please. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 19:55:20 GMT -8
Well, our fucking open borders have everything to do with the supply. Where there's a buck, there's a way, but building a serious WALL would go a long way toward reducing supply.
I'll PM you. I have something to say.
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