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Post by peterd on May 31, 2006 16:01:20 GMT -8
101ABN, I also have four German shepherd dogs. They will let him know who is the boss. Whatever is left I will take care of. That would be his/hers last trip.
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Post by MARIO on May 31, 2006 20:52:15 GMT -8
Let's put it in simple terms. If an armed robber trespasses on your property or invades your home, pointing a gun at you -- What do you do? You have a gun as well. Do you wait to see if he's going to shoot you, or do you take him out first? Mario time for a reality check, didn't I just say I would support him? What you fail to recognize is just how big a propaganda coo you would be handing to those opposed to your policy proscriptions. The worst possible thing that could happen from your perspective, would be for a civilian to kill a Mexican crossing the border. That is just reality Mario something you in the anti-reasonable-solutions crowd seem to have a real hard time coming to grips with. Was that simple enough for you, or do I need to break out the crayons? Not just ANY Mexican. A Mexican holding a gun and pointing at an American on American soil. No, leave the crayons in the box. My drawing pictures for you is not going to help matters at all. |
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Post by MrDoublel on May 31, 2006 22:51:18 GMT -8
That's why I'm happy leaving in Florida (one of many reasons). You have the RIGHT to defend yourself and your property.
As for when the first casualty happens...that already has, there have been numerous murders, assaults and rapes committed by illegals that then run back across the border to safety. This has been ignored by the press for fear of upsetting the latino community.
Build the barrier NOW!
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2006 0:23:18 GMT -8
Mario time for a reality check, didn't I just say I would support him? What you fail to recognize is just how big a propaganda coo you would be handing to those opposed to your policy proscriptions. The worst possible thing that could happen from your perspective, would be for a civilian to kill a Mexican crossing the border. That is just reality Mario something you in the anti-reasonable-solutions crowd seem to have a real hard time coming to grips with. Was that simple enough for you, or do I need to break out the crayons? Not just ANY Mexican. A Mexican holding a gun and pointing at an American on American soil. No, leave the crayons in the box. My drawing pictures for you is not going to help matters at all. Mario stop being thick, you're not stupid so stop saying stupid things, the circumstances matter not at all. Do you really think those that would use it for propaganda purposes care how it would come out in a court of law? Again from your perspective if a civilian kills a Mexican crossing the border you lose in the court of public opinion by default period end of story. There would be an out cry coming from those who would mobilize against you that would force the government to do something about the now perceived vigilantes murdering border crossers. Fairly or unfairly that is how it would play out. You want to go into politics you better start to learn how to play, because so far the sounds you are making sound to me like the gibberish muttered by a 3 year old. |
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Post by Far Rider on Jun 1, 2006 2:02:12 GMT -8
There would be an out cry coming from those who would mobilize against you that would force the government to do something about the now perceived vigilantes murdering border crossers. Fairly or unfairly that is how it would play out. You want to go into politics you better start to learn how to play, because so far the sounds you are making sound to me like the gibberish muttered by a 3 year old. Yeah? What happens if a coyote or drug runner shoots an American, or worse, a cop? The looney left might bitch about vigilantes, but the looney left bitches about everything the majority agrees with. They have been bitching about the Minutemen from day one and look where it has gotten them. Forget the politics - this could turn into an honest to God border war - a shooting war. I guarantee you if an American gets shot it will, and the politicians won't be able to stand around with their thumbs in their asses any more. And you're talking about fucking politics. |
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2006 2:22:05 GMT -8
There would be an out cry coming from those who would mobilize against you that would force the government to do something about the now perceived vigilantes murdering border crossers. Fairly or unfairly that is how it would play out. You want to go into politics you better start to learn how to play, because so far the sounds you are making sound to me like the gibberish muttered by a 3 year old. Yeah? What happens if a coyote or drug runner shoots an American, or worse, a cop? The looney left might bitch about vigilantes, but the looney left bitches about everything the majority agrees with. They have been bitching about the Minutemen from day one and look where it has gotten them. Forget the politics - this could turn into an honest to God border war - a shooting war. I guarantee you if an American gets shot it will, and the politicians won't be able to stand around with their thumbs in their asses any more. And you're talking about fucking politics. Mike I know you're angry at me over my position on this but I hold it honestly. Of everyone here you're the guy I've always respected the most so please I don't want to fight with ya or have there be bad blood between us. If an American gets killed then it's a different story but who in their right mind wants that to happen, and that's not what was being discussed. I'm talking politics because like it or not it's a political issue. Now Mike if shooting starts to happen down there the governments gonna clear out all of the civilians lickety split count on it. Shooting breaks out and no more civilian patrols count on it. It is in no ones interest that shooting should start up but it seems there are those hoping that it does. Forgive them Lord for they no not what they do. |
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Post by Far Rider on Jun 1, 2006 5:00:38 GMT -8
Listen, Cam: this is not a matter of mere politics with me.
Back when Clinton was president there were a LOT of second amendment witch hunts, not limited to that hash he made of the Ruby Ridge incident and the Waco deaths. That is a true historical fact.
There were a LOT of friggin' people who were damn sick and tired of being scapegoated for everything that came down the pike - it was the leftmedia's cause du jour. Back then it was gun owners, and you would think that by listening to the leftmedia that every gun owner in the world was stopping by the schoolyard to knock off a few kids every morning.
It got to the point where Chuckie Schumer was advocating taxing the hell out of ammunition - more oney for them to waste, just like the way they tax cigarettes, which is another thing: they are criminalizing the smoking of a perfectly legal substance in New York by hypocritically taking they taxes they get from it and making smoking illegal.
But I digress. After a whole year of listening to that bullshit after Katrina and those black racist ingrates in New Orleans name calling the people who were trying to help them out, and now the leftmedia calling the people who want the illegals to get in line where they belong "racist", you have the same situation again.
Don't think for one second that the leftmedia doesn't shape public opinion. They will start this shit, get a bunch of politicians on board, and a bunch of sheeple will vote the way the media tells them to, because if they don't, they're "racist, sexist, bigot, homphobes".
The biggest scams they have going is that now they say the majority's responsibility is to protect the minority, and that if you want to keep the money you earn you are "greedy".
Well, the reason the majority runs for office is so they can do things their way, not so they can do it the other guy's way. If we wanted to do it the other guy's way we would vote for the other guy. And keeping my money is NOT greed - people wanting to confiscate my income is greed.
To bring all this in for a landing, these illegals have no rights, not constitutionally, not morally, and not logically in this country. At best they are guests, and I expect them to act like guests and at worst they are criminals because they are breaking the law. I don't give a shit whether or not anybody thinks the law is enforceable or whether anybody thinks the law is just. It's still the law we have, and you are more than welcome to work to get the law changed, but for now advocating breaking the law is divisive and destructive.
And I am not hoping for shooting to start, but I'll tell you one thing: there are a LOT of Americans who have played by the rules their whole lives who can't even get away with filing their taxes late listening to these politicians talk about tax amnesty for illegals and wondering what laws they get to break, or, if you're like me, starting to think that if you get enough people on your side you don't have to follow the laws anyway.
Consider what would happen if the millions of gun owners in this country decided they didn't have to follow gun laws en masse. Do you think a local police force could stop them? Do you think a couple hundred cops could arrest thousands of armed citizens in a town, marching through the square all carrying firearms?
If the country shows us that it's not interested in enforcing it's own laws it will get to the point where no law is sacred. At that point you have anarchy, and maybe that was the point all along, but I for one have no intention of allowing that to happen. Either we're going to have order or we're not - I am up for either one, but I am not going to play by one set of rules while they play by another.
I want equality.
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2006 5:19:48 GMT -8
Thanks for posting something intelligent Mike I do appreciate your point of view and promise to think on this before giving a reply, tired of the mindless crap.
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Post by Far Rider on Jun 1, 2006 9:26:06 GMT -8
Well, I am glad you got my point, because I was rambling a bit.
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2006 9:31:07 GMT -8
Well, I am glad you got my point, because I was rambling a bit. Please with the tone that has been set for this debate I feel grateful you didn't question my motives or loyalty. I just finished a reply to husky and I'm a little drained at the moment but please I do want to carry this forward and will reply I think I need to go for some fresh air for a bit first. No rush I hope. |
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Post by Far Rider on Jun 1, 2006 10:20:21 GMT -8
I'll be here.
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2006 15:09:16 GMT -8
Hey Mike sorry just burnt myself on my reply to Husky and now I need to go. I promise to reply sometime tonight or tomorrow. Just letting you know I'm not trying to shirk you. |
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Post by peterd on Jun 1, 2006 15:31:24 GMT -8
I definitely will squeze the trigger first.
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