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Post by cameron on Jun 8, 2005 14:09:08 GMT -8
I have found a good resource. It is the official guide lines for the correct handling of the Koran. www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/koran_sop.pdfkoran_sop.pdf (application/pdf Object) There are two points of interest here. 1) We are bending over backwards to avoid offending a culture that wishes us dead. What are they going to do if we piss them off? Wish us dead twice as hard? 2) In addition to the general idiocy of being forced to respect a culture that wishes us dead, it is this very book that provides them with the rationale for killing our innocents. By this absurd charade of respect we are legitimizing their very rationale for killing us.
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Post by retire2005 on Jun 8, 2005 15:04:25 GMT -8
I have found a good resource. It is the official guide lines for the correct handling of the Koran. www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/koran_sop.pdfkoran_sop.pdf (application/pdf Object) There are two points of interest here. 1) We are bending over backwards to avoid offending a culture that wishes us dead. What are they going to do if we piss them off? Wish us dead twice as hard? 2) In addition to the general idiocy of being forced to respect a culture that wishes us dead, it is this very book that provides them with the rationale for killing our innocents. By this absurd charade of respect we are legitimizing their very rationale for killing us. We could put on velvet gloves, hand the Koran to them like it was as fragile artifact and they would still complain. While the libs complain about how the Koran is treated, they damn sure don't mind running over my faith with Madonnas made from camel shit (one idiot senator said it was a simple "freedom of the artists expression", trying to remove any semblance of Christianity from anywhere in the U.S. (all supported by so-called Christians), and howling to the top of the halls about the Christian Taliban and the "religious" right. Sorry, but it seems to me they are more concerned about the religous views of our enemies than they are about the people who put them in office in the first place. Wonder if these idiots ever read the "Terrorist Manual?"
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Post by americanpride on Jun 8, 2005 17:16:00 GMT -8
What POs me is that we go out of our way to comfort these criminals with their religious wants, but we do everything in our power to keep God out of our schools, businesses, governments, the Boy Scouts, and the military.
What gives?
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Post by CommonSense on Jun 8, 2005 18:19:35 GMT -8
What POs me is that we go out of our way to comfort these criminals with their religious wants, but we do everything in our power to keep God out of our schools, businesses, governments, the Boy Scouts, and the military. What gives? The liberal left confuses the mind Chris. I guess they believe that someone will be "offended" by religious icons and talk in America. People in Gitmo obviously would not be "offended" by Islamic icons and speech. Personally, if someone is insulted by a Nativity Scene in a public square, they should ignore it. Nobody is forcing them to stop and admire the decorations. The same is true for icons of all religions. But we have to face the truth that the left ignores: America is a Christian nation.
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Post by Merceditas on Jun 11, 2005 5:27:34 GMT -8
It's incredible. The double standard (put mildly)
Ever see what happens to a Christian with a bible or crucifix in Saudi Arabia??
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Post by LorSpi on Jun 11, 2005 5:40:00 GMT -8
I am in total agreement with all here. That said - the general idea is that the US treats all the way it wants its folks to be treated. Lead by example. Overall - I don't really know. But it does lend authority when the US goes before Saudi authorities and complains about the treatment of other religions.
The down side - those folks are whackos and cannot be reasoned with. The theory - well if they always end up imitating US culture - and count the peroxide blonds in the middle east - maybe they might pick up on other aspects, such as religious toleration. And it's still not a bad theory. The Euros are really trying hard, bless their pointed little heads. The Japanese though remain head buried in butt.
Real world - you and I do believe that our neighbors should be allowed to practice theit religion in peace so long as it doesn't involve the loss of our pets. It is more difficult to even think about being civil to the lot at Gitmo, but we have arrived at this point because of abuses in out system we have tried to remedied.
Besides - the bad guys are doing this in order to rile everybody us.
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Post by Merceditas on Jun 11, 2005 8:47:06 GMT -8
Difficult, if not really possible to find a compromise here. I agree with you, Lor, that the US should be doing their best to respect other beliefs, cultures, esp in a military setting.
We can find ways that stay with our principles to deal with the little twerps who are being deliberately manipulative.
In the bigger world picture, as far as double standards go, none of these countries/parties, who have laws and behaviors which make other's religious beliefs illegal, impossible to practice, should have ANY legitimate voice in global politics.
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Post by LorSpi on Jun 11, 2005 8:57:44 GMT -8
I know that it only increases the bureaucracy, but it does look at out weaknesses - and we do address those.
On the other side - we set the standards for investigations. A good many countries do rely on the US because they know we are pretty evenhanded and exacting when it comes down to investigations.
I think the idea is slow but steady. You can't publicly humiliate a person or an country and expect cooperation. I think Saudi Arabia is being forced along - at a snail's pace to be sure. And that explains why the level of anti American rhetoric has risen - folks are being compared to Americans and don't look so good. So then they slam the US trying to look better.
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