The left fuels immigration backlash...

[101ABN]

American and European leftists share the conviction that the immigrant, legal or illegal, is always right -- and the native-born citizen's always wrong.

This bigotry toward the law-abiding American, Brit, Frenchman or Italian doesn't help the immigrant in the end. Instead, it's a powerful engine driving divisiveness.

There are deep differences between Europe's experience with legal immigrants intent on importing intolerant lifestyles and our problem with illegals responsible for social friction and violent criminality.

But the left's blame-game is identical: Anyone who doesn't elevate the "rights" of the immigrant over the rights, safety and desires of the citizen is a bigot. No exceptions. Could there be a formula better designed to excite anti-immigrant sentiment?

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[peterd]

This situation also aggrevate those like me who came to this country legally. We waited our time until we got green light to come. US does not own anything to the illegal immigrants. They made a wrong choice and should be deported. What gets me most about this issue, they demands for citizenship and full right. Flying Mexican flags on school grounds and stores. That is a biggest BS. We need to take these folks back from where they came from. As for leftists, no matter from where they came, take them accross the border with the illegals. I will gladly say, America love it or leave it. Recommendation for the big mouth illegals move it accross the border to Mexico and other places. There is no place in this country for them.

[exorcist]

I say we ought to all get together, buy a plot of land along the border, and fill it with Infernal Gardens.

Trip flares, bear-traps, night-fire ranges for 50-cals. Fun stuff like that.

Or, if you want to make things more interesting, call it a wildlife research station, get a Gov't grant, and see how long Burmese Pythons can survive in a desert.
I bet the people in Florida would give you all you wanted!

[peterd]

Turn Rio Grande into swamp land and bring gators. Gators would enjoy illegal lunch.

[exorcist]

Nah.... the last thing I want to see is another damn wetlands for the Seirra Club to fret over.

The Boas would die off eventually, but the legend would live on and on.

[marinecpl]

We have a infrastructure opportunity with the illegal immigrant problem.

First: upgrade the U.S. Border Patrol to be the eighth of our uniformed services but keep it under the DHS like the Coast Guard. That way they will be a military service that wouldn't be under the Pentagon.

Second: Build a wall that is 25 to 30 feet under ground and 50 feet above ground with turrets every 100 yards stretching from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. In front of the wall(on the south side) we will have 25 yards of minefield and in front of that we will have barbed wire fences, followed by lots of concertina wire. The point being that illegals would have to negotiate the barbed wire and concertina wire to get to the minefield.

In every turret is a large array of small arms, Mk19 Grenade launchers, M2 .50 cal Machine gun, SAWs, LAWs, M240G(the M60's replacement).

[101ABN]

While I agree that our borders need to be far less porous than they are, Ma Deuces and minefilds ,ay be a bit much.

I'd be happy if we'd start by ending the sanctuary city nonsense and actually start
prosecuting employers who hire illegals, levying stiff penalties on the violators, and deporting any illegals convicted of any crimes or misdemeanors..

[peterd]

As for sanctuary cities, juste tell the city leadership to clean them up or no government funds. Anybody caught running sanctuaries will be treated as fellons and will face prosecution. We just need to enforce current laws. I agree with 101, prosecute employers who hires them. As for illegals, first timers caught face immediate deportation. Before deportation they will be registered. Caught second time, 5 years and then deported. Third time caught 10 years in jail. While in jail, use them to clean up and roads, cities, etc.

[marinecpl]

That was simply an extreme solution but it would work......billions of dollars later......

I do like 101's and peterd's solutions. However, too many businesses in sanctuary cities have political clout and will have protection. The entire state should be punished for the sanctuary city's actions and the entire state should be cut off from federal money. The state will fix the problem fast.

First offense for illegals caught within our borders: 25 years to life at hard labor in prisons that look like Joe Arapaio's tent-city Maricopa County Jail.

However, the biggest problem we face with the illegal situation is both houses of Congress. Republicans and Democrats refuse to take a stance on this issue because they want to retain the Hispanic vote. Many, not most and not all but many, Hispanics in the southwest and in California are pro-illegal and they are willing to vote for what ever party is sympathetic to illegals.

[peterd]

marinecpl, here is a big problem. If government will not take action, what you may see that people who are living on the border will. This could turn more bloodier. You could see nut cases from other states coming down and start hunting illegals and coyotes. We do not have that big of a police force to prevent such a thing. Some people, although they may not do it themselves could provide shelters for those nut cases. Logially how long you can push a human being down before it will retaliates.

[marinecpl]

Aug 14, 2011 9:54:14 GMT -8 peterd said:

marinecpl, here is a big problem. If government will not take action, what you may see that people who are living on the border will. This could turn more bloodier. You could see nut cases from other states coming down and start hunting illegals and coyotes. We do not have that big of a police force to prevent such a thing. Some people, although they may not do it themselves could provide shelters for those nut cases. Logially how long you can push a human being down before it will retaliates.

I know it seems cruel and inhuman but this is our sovereignty at stake and the cowards in Washington are as impotent as an over-cooked spaghetti noodle. Not enough law enforcement in the Southwest is nothing new. That is why the old West was a haven for outlaws.

What is also a problem is that Texans, New Mexicans, and Arizonans have reported seeing illegals accompanied by the Policia Federal or the Mexican Army within our borders.

This is war! We as citizens have an obligation to protect our sovereignty at all costs!

That obligation starts at the polls. Vote out the cowards in Washington!

[peterd]

I heard few incidences like that. It is true that southern border regions are slowly become battlegrounds. It is funny to hear from WH that our borders are secured. Same thing is repeated by DHS. it was funny to hear from Hillary that US provides weapons from drug dealers and cartels. Then operation Fast and Furious surfaced. How interesting.

[NixonsGhost]

First, expelling illegals is an economic fiasco. The reason we even have illegals is the fact that we had full employment for nearly 20 years.

I am personally opposed to illegal immigration, there are a number of evil people that fuel it and their are a number of consequences that are tied to the practice. I hate the people that seek to make money off of desperation and misery, one of the reasons I hate Democrats. As an American and someone who is in close proximity to illegals on a constant basis, I am always reminded of the ethical excercise about the starving family. "Is it a greater sin to let your family starve, or to steal a pig so that your family lives." This is the predicament illegals find themselves in. We can say that they should stay in Mexico or El Salvador and fight for change, but this isn't likely going to happen in any time that would aid them when the wolves are at the door now!

So these people do what they have to do. They leave home and they come to the US. Usually understanding that what they are doing is illegal, but taking their chance because there isn't any other opportunity.

What happens is that the communities they lived in are further weakened and contrary to some beliefs, the economy of the US gains $40 per day. If we expell 12-20 Million people this would devestate economies around the US. The hardliners haven't thought about this

That is why i advocate for a worker visa that gives the bearer no right of citizenship, EVER...it would be based on labor needs and no taxes collected from checks would not be refunded. It aids the US on nearly all fronts.

[cam]

Aug 17, 2011 7:00:24 GMT -8 NixonsGhost said:

First, expelling illegals is an economic fiasco. The reason we even have illegals is the fact that we had full employment for nearly 20 years.

I am personally opposed to illegal immigration, there are a number of evil people that fuel it and their are a number of consequences that are tied to the practice. I hate the people that seek to make money off of desperation and misery, one of the reasons I hate Democrats. As an American and someone who is in close proximity to illegals on a constant basis, I am always reminded of the ethical excercise about the starving family. "Is it a greater sin to let your family starve, or to steal a pig so that your family lives." This is the predicament illegals find themselves in. We can say that they should stay in Mexico or El Salvador and fight for change, but this isn't likely going to happen in any time that would aid them when the wolves are at the door now!

So these people do what they have to do. They leave home and they come to the US. Usually understanding that what they are doing is illegal, but taking their chance because there isn't any other opportunity.

What happens is that the communities they lived in are further weakened and contrary to some beliefs, the economy of the US gains $40 per day. If we expell 12-20 Million people this would devestate economies around the US. The hardliners haven't thought about this

That is why i advocate for a worker visa that gives the bearer no right of citizenship, EVER...it would be based on labor needs and no taxes collected from checks would not be refunded. It aids the US on nearly all fronts.

;D