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Post by cam on Nov 17, 2011 4:59:47 GMT -8
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Post by chillyd on Nov 17, 2011 7:19:39 GMT -8
Where's that last percent? Purgatory?
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 17, 2011 12:58:07 GMT -8
So, what's your point?
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Post by sarahnn on Nov 17, 2011 13:17:35 GMT -8
It's got to be one of two things. Either it's In God We Trust"[/i] or " One Nation under God"[/i] ;D |
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Post by marinecpl on Nov 17, 2011 13:56:06 GMT -8
It's got to be one of two things. Either it's In God We Trust"[/i] or " One Nation under God"[/i] ;D[/quote] "In God We Trust" is on our currency and money is possibly the root of all evil.  And anyone can recite the Pledge of Allegience without saying "Under God" and still pledge their loyalty to the United States and our Flag.  Sadly, the topics of God and religion are responsible for too many stupid and pointless arguements(even wars). ;D |
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Post by peterd on Nov 17, 2011 14:02:19 GMT -8
Chilly, there is a purgatory. current political correctnes does not allow call this place purgatory. Now it is called Washington DC. You can figure out the percentage.
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Post by sarahnn on Nov 17, 2011 14:09:42 GMT -8
It's got to be one of two things. Either it's In God We Trust"[/i] or " One Nation under God"[/i] ;D[/quote] "In God We Trust" is on our currency and money is possibly the root of all evil. And anyone can recite the Pledge of Allegience without saying "Under God" and still pledge their loyalty to the United States and our Flag. [/quote] I know. But, the atheists are offended by any religious references from State and Federal Government. My point being, "it is what it is". Atheists are wasting their time. Oh absolutely. Two things that you should never discuss. Politics and religion. |
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Post by cam on Nov 17, 2011 16:32:58 GMT -8
"In God We Trust" is on our currency and money is possibly the root of all evil. And anyone can recite the Pledge of Allegience without saying "Under God" and still pledge their loyalty to the United States and our Flag. I know. But, the atheists are offended by any religious references from State and Federal Government. My point being, "it is what it is". Atheists are wasting their time. Oh absolutely. Two things that you should never discuss. Politics and religion. Thank you, that last line gave me chuckle. |
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Post by cam on Nov 17, 2011 16:36:53 GMT -8
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Post by cam on Nov 17, 2011 16:44:42 GMT -8
Where's that last percent? Purgatory? Probably just the lapsed Catholics. This is useful information if you know how to weld it. Since this is an online discussion site where I can store stuff on the cloud. The religion board seemed like a good place to store this little nugget of wisdom. Can be used to critically undermine the atheist myth concerning intelligence and religious belief. Are we to seriously believe atheists are all the top ten percentile. They use this argument on children in school. The better educated you are the less likely you are to have any real religious conviction. Any who. |
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Post by sarahnn on Nov 17, 2011 17:28:55 GMT -8
I know. But, the atheists are offended by any religious references from State and Federal Government. My point being, "it is what it is". Atheists are wasting their time. Oh absolutely. Two things that you should never discuss. Politics and religion. Thank you, that last line gave me chuckle. Cam, most of the people in this poll must must have gotten religion when they faced some personal tragedy, the rest probably got religion when Obama was elected to office. |
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Post by chillyd on Nov 17, 2011 19:34:25 GMT -8
Where's that last percent? Purgatory? Probably just the lapsed Catholics. This is useful information if you know how to weld it. Since this is an online discussion site where I can store stuff on the cloud. The religion board seemed like a good place to store this little nugget of wisdom. Can be used to critically undermine the atheist myth concerning intelligence and religious belief. Are we to seriously believe atheists are all the top ten percentile. They use this argument on children in school. The better educated you are the less likely you are to have any real religious conviction. Any who. Well now, hold up there a minute -- isn't atheism also a leap of faith? After all, they claim God does not exist . . . without any definitive proof.  |
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Post by cam on Nov 18, 2011 14:08:58 GMT -8
Probably just the lapsed Catholics. This is useful information if you know how to weld it. Since this is an online discussion site where I can store stuff on the cloud. The religion board seemed like a good place to store this little nugget of wisdom. Can be used to critically undermine the atheist myth concerning intelligence and religious belief. Are we to seriously believe atheists are all the top ten percentile. They use this argument on children in school. The better educated you are the less likely you are to have any real religious conviction. Any who. Well now, hold up there a minute -- isn't atheism also a leap of faith? After all, they claim God does not exist . . . without any definitive proof. Why yes it is a leap of faith, but don't hold your breath waiting for atheists to recognize that little point of fact. They do this thing where they convince themselves then attempt to convince others that science has answered all the questions that once caused us to believe in a divine creator. Therefore to dispute them is to come into conflict with Science. The truth is there is not nor has there ever been a conflict between faith in God, and science. As a point of fact modern science was made possible by a religious assumption that was not so self evident before it was made. That the world is well ordered, and can be rationally understood. For these gits to believe science has answered such questions as the existence of God is simply just hard core ignorant of what science actually is. A tool for measuring the material universe. You can't ask the measuring stick to tell you who parked the car there and why. |
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Post by warrior1972 on Nov 22, 2011 6:41:18 GMT -8
Well now, hold up there a minute -- isn't atheism also a leap of faith? After all, they claim God does not exist . . . without any definitive proof. Why yes it is a leap of faith, but don't hold your breath waiting for atheists to recognize that little point of fact. They do this thing where they convince themselves then attempt to convince others that science has answered all the questions that once caused us to believe in a divine creator. Therefore to dispute them is to come into conflict with Science. The truth is there is not nor has there ever been a conflict between faith in God, and science. As a point of fact modern science was made possible by a religious assumption that was not so self evident before it was made. That the world is well ordered, and can be rationally understood. For these gits to believe science has answered such questions as the existence of God is simply just hard core ignorant of what science actually is. A tool for measuring the material universe. You can't ask the measuring stick to tell you who parked the car there and why. And there is no mandatory conflict between religion and science, except in the eyes of those on either side who perceive the ideas represented by the other side as a threat. As to conflicts between religion and science, they are definitely not only when religion comes into conflict with science. They also occur when scientific ideas come into conflict with religion. The Catholic Church has long funded scientific research through some of the most prestigious universities (Catholic universities) in the world. Even way back when I attended a Catholic high school, I remember to this day having a religion class for first period and a biology class for second period in my sophomore year, and the time came when we were being taught Creation in first period and five minutes later we were being taught Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I asked my biology teacher, a Christian Brother, the logic behind it. "You're the first one to ask me that in the fourteen years I've been teaching here," he said. "I always wondered when someone would bring that up." "We debated quite a while on how to approach that dilemma. The result was that we decided the best way was to present both ideas to the very best of our ability, and let our students make their own decisions based on the information presented." My respect for the education I got from Catholic institutions went up about 50% that day. As to atheists, Their belief is their prerogative, so long as they do not try to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Atheists often argue against any manifestation of Christianity in our society, which is most definitely a Christian majority when all denominations that are followers of Jesus Christ are taken into consideration, is a threat to their beliefs. My answer to that has always been that the majority has the right to those institutions that they support, so long as no attempt is made to oppress or persecute the minority that does not support them, IMHO. Atheists have no more right to attempt to deprive the Christian majority of their right to recognize their God than Christians have to depirve the atheist minority of their right not to believe in that God. It all comes back to the social contract. You have the right to do whatever you want to, so long as, in the exercising of that right, you do not infringe on anybody else's right to do what they want to. The arbiter that determines where those lines are drawn is called the law, and the yardstick for determining the justness of our laws is called the Constitution. I can live with that. |
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Post by cam on Nov 22, 2011 7:38:46 GMT -8
Why yes it is a leap of faith, but don't hold your breath waiting for atheists to recognize that little point of fact. They do this thing where they convince themselves then attempt to convince others that science has answered all the questions that once caused us to believe in a divine creator. Therefore to dispute them is to come into conflict with Science. The truth is there is not nor has there ever been a conflict between faith in God, and science. As a point of fact modern science was made possible by a religious assumption that was not so self evident before it was made. That the world is well ordered, and can be rationally understood. For these gits to believe science has answered such questions as the existence of God is simply just hard core ignorant of what science actually is. A tool for measuring the material universe. You can't ask the measuring stick to tell you who parked the car there and why. And there is no mandatory conflict between religion and science, except in the eyes of those on either side who perceive the ideas represented by the other side as a threat. As to conflicts between religion and science, they are definitely not only when religion comes into conflict with science. They also occur when scientific ideas come into conflict with religion. The Catholic Church has long funded scientific research through some of the most prestigious universities (Catholic universities) in the world. Even way back when I attended a Catholic high school, I remember to this day having a religion class for first period and a biology class for second period in my sophomore year, and the time came when we were being taught Creation in first period and five minutes later we were being taught Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I asked my biology teacher, a Christian Brother, the logic behind it. "You're the first one to ask me that in the fourteen years I've been teaching here," he said. "I always wondered when someone would bring that up." "We debated quite a while on how to approach that dilemma. The result was that we decided the best way was to present both ideas to the very best of our ability, and let our students make their own decisions based on the information presented." My respect for the education I got from Catholic institutions went up about 50% that day. As to atheists, Their belief is their prerogative, so long as they do not try to impose their beliefs on everyone else. Atheists often argue against any manifestation of Christianity in our society, which is most definitely a Christian majority when all denominations that are followers of Jesus Christ are taken into consideration, is a threat to their beliefs. My answer to that has always been that the majority has the right to those institutions that they support, so long as no attempt is made to oppress or persecute the minority that does not support them, IMHO. Atheists have no more right to attempt to deprive the Christian majority of their right to recognize their God than Christians have to depirve the atheist minority of their right not to believe in that God. It all comes back to the social contract. You have the right to do whatever you want to, so long as, in the exercising of that right, you do not infringe on anybody else's right to do what they want to. The arbiter that determines where those lines are drawn is called the law, and the yardstick for determining the justness of our laws is called the Constitution. I can live with that. It isn't Christians or "scientists" in general claiming there is a faith science conflict. It is the new atheism that is making that claim. Dawkins, Dennent, Hithchens, etc. Dawkins has equated teaching religion to children as child abuse. Philosophically speaking their arguments are jejune, but they are big hits in the pop culture. There is no conflict between the idea of natural selection and the Christian faith, never has been. Both can be believed at the exact same time with out any reservation. You Catholics have always been a bit weird from my vantage point. Anyway thanks for the insights. |
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And anyone can recite the Pledge of Allegience without saying "Under God" and still pledge their loyalty to the United States and our Flag. 
