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Post by Sailor on May 19, 2005 15:40:14 GMT -8
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Post by tits on May 19, 2005 17:18:44 GMT -8
Krypto, don't confuse the boys. Only real men can survive that training ;D
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 20, 2005 8:08:02 GMT -8
Hey Sailor are you kidding? Have you not heard about Combat Rescue Officer training? www.specialtactics.com/crocriteria.shtmlJust read about what we have to do....I give myself two days before I fail out... It's the hardest training by far in the entire US military. Should be fun  |
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Post by Sailor on May 20, 2005 8:28:41 GMT -8
Hey Sailor are you kidding? Have you not heard about Combat Rescue Officer training? www.specialtactics.com/crocriteria.shtmlJust read about what we have to do....I give myself two days before I fail out... It's the hardest training by far in the entire US military. Should be fun I've heard of it. The hardest training program in the entire US military is the BUDs/SEAL training program. The dropout/washout rate is the HIGHEST of any service. First you have to survive BUDs (Basic Underwater Demolition) BEFORE you go on into SEAL training. Even after you earn the "Budwiser" as a SEAL the training never ends. But even in my prime (such as it was) I would never have survived even 1 day with any special forces outfit, and my rating (MOS to you) would not have allowed it anyway. Still though, screaming across the ocean at the helm of that billion dollar 7,800 ton jet engine powered thoroughbred was the most fun I've yet had with my pants on. ;D www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=24190www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=24311 |
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 20, 2005 11:10:04 GMT -8
I've heard of it. The hardest training program in the entire US military is the BUDs/SEAL training program. The dropout/washout rate is the HIGHEST of any service. First you have to survive BUDs (Basic Underwater Demolition) BEFORE you go on into SEAL training. Even after you earn the "Budwiser" as a SEAL the training never ends. But even in my prime (such as it was) I would never have survived even 1 day with any special forces outfit, and my rating (MOS to you) would not have allowed it anyway. Still though, screaming across the ocean at the helm of that billion dollar 7,800 ton jet engine powered thoroughbred was the most fun I've yet had with my pants on. ;D www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=24190www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=24311Yea but why be qualified in one aspect of the military (underwater) when you can be trained to do underwater operations, parachuting out of planes and jumping out of helos as a CRO? ;D I'm actually most afraid of the water training. I used to be a swimmer but I don't react well when someone tries to drown me (which is what they do in CRO training). I nearly drowned as a child (twice actually) so that's probably gonna be the hardest part. Several people have actually died at CRO training so I've started training now for it. Thankfully I have two years before I take my first test, which is a combination of running, push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, flutter-kicks, 25m underwater swim and 2000m swim. Should be "fun".... |
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Post by tits on May 20, 2005 15:39:31 GMT -8
Yea but why be qualified in one aspect of the military (underwater) when you can be trained to do underwater operations, parachuting out of planes and jumping out of helos as a CRO? ;D I'm actually most afraid of the water training. I used to be a swimmer but I don't react well when someone tries to drown me (which is what they do in CRO training). I nearly drowned as a child (twice actually) so that's probably gonna be the hardest part. Several people have actually died at CRO training so I've started training now for it. Thankfully I have two years before I take my first test, which is a combination of running, push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, flutter-kicks, 25m underwater swim and 2000m swim. Should be "fun".... Everything was great until I cramped-up on an open water dive where the instructor rips your gear off of you and you have to retrieve it. It was only about 12 to 15 feet of very cold and clear water off Coronado Island. suddenly, as I located the mouth piece and was placing it back in my mouth, I puked! and doubled over with a cramp down the right side of my abdomen. In addition, I messed my pants. Did you know that you inhaled after puking?  , Even after that puff of brown water gives the urge to inhale.  Anyway, I did not earn the UDT crest, but did leave with an open water certification. |
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Post by Sailor on May 20, 2005 15:55:50 GMT -8
James, while SEALs are sailors they are not limited to water operations only. Read Richard Marcinco's "Rogue Warrior" (the biography, not the books written afterward.) The SEALS operate everywhere, often the only nearby water is what they have in their canteens. They dive, swim, helocast, jump out of perfectly good airplanes at any altitude including airliner operating altitude (30,000 + feet.)
"I used to be a swimmer but I don't react well when someone tries to drown me (which is what they do in CRO training). I nearly drowned as a child (twice actually) so that's probably gonna be the hardest part."
Then that is going to be a problem no matter what uniform you wear either in the Special Forces or if driving combat planes. You have GOT to be able to function in the water either in combat or in saving your own butt after breaking one of Uncle's expensive airplanes over water.
I can speak from experience on this, like you I almost drowned as a kid and afterward had an irrational fear of being in over my head. Just going to the swimming hole and standing in water up to my chest terrified me to the point of panic.
I never learned to swim prior to joining the Navy.
At Great Lakes I had to decide if I was going to learn to control that fear or let it control me for the rest of my life. I stepped off the 10' platform into the deep end of the test pool. I was able to control the panic.
I didn't succeed in passing the test the first time (still couldn't swim) so got put into a holding company and was sent back to that platform twice a day every day until I could swim the course.
It took a week (hey, I was a slow learner.)
Nothing is impossible James.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 20, 2005 16:28:25 GMT -8
James, while SEALs are sailors they are not limited to water operations only. Read Richard Marcinco's "Rogue Warrior" (the biography, not the books written afterward.) The SEALS operate everywhere, often the only nearby water is what they have in their canteens. They dive, swim, helocast, jump out of perfectly good airplanes at any altitude including airliner operating altitude (30,000 + feet.) "I used to be a swimmer but I don't react well when someone tries to drown me (which is what they do in CRO training). I nearly drowned as a child (twice actually) so that's probably gonna be the hardest part." Then that is going to be a problem no matter what uniform you wear either in the Special Forces or if driving combat planes. You have GOT to be able to function in the water either in combat or in saving your own butt after breaking one of Uncle's expensive airplanes over water. I can speak from experience on this, like you I almost drowned as a kid and afterward had an irrational fear of being in over my head. Just going to the swimming hole and standing in water up to my chest terrified me to the point of panic. I never learned to swim prior to joining the Navy. At Great Lakes I had to decide if I was going to learn to control that fear or let it control me for the rest of my life. I stepped off the 10' platform into the deep end of the test pool. I was able to control the panic. I didn't succeed in passing the test the first time (still couldn't swim) so got put into a holding company and was sent back to that platform twice a day every day until I could swim the course. It took a week (hey, I was a slow learner.) Nothing is impossible James. It's not really being in water that bothers me (I was swimmer for my high school team), it's when people try to keep you underwater. My friends and I play water polo all the time and it freaks me out when one of them dunks me under the water and keeps me under. Sometimes you don't get any air before going under and you need to come up quickly. It's kinda hard when someone much bigger than you is keeping you under though. The part of CRO training I'm not looking forward to the most is where you have two guys using one snorkel. Both of them have to stay under water and pass the snorkel between each other so that they can breathe. The catch is, there is a 300-pound SGT trying to rip the snorkel out of your hands and/or separate the two of you. It's not really scary as much as it is hard - if you go back to the surface of the water you obviously fail. I just have a problem with people who try to keep me underwater when I have no air - but I guess everyone would  But yea, I have no problem with swimming. I go swimming all the time at school to prepare me for CRO training. |
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Post by Remey688 on May 22, 2005 14:17:03 GMT -8
Mrs. Remey and I were in Chicago last September and at Navy Pier. Nice to see so many of our young men in white uniforms there with their parents--God bless all of our sons and daughters in uniform.
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, Even after that puff of brown water gives the urge to inhale. 
Anyway, I did not earn the UDT crest, but did leave with an open water certification.
But yea, I have no problem with swimming. I go swimming all the time at school to prepare me for CRO training.