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Post by peterd on Sept 28, 2012 5:01:47 GMT -8
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Post by dustdevil28 on Sept 28, 2012 5:51:37 GMT -8
And this proves what? That there are islamists in Somalia? Great for you pete, but what link is there between islamists and pirates? If you're not here for discussion, than what's the point of being here? -DD |
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Post by peterd on Sept 28, 2012 6:28:08 GMT -8
And this proves what? That there are islamists in Somalia? Great for you pete, but what link is there between islamists and pirates? If you're not here for discussion, than what's the point of being here? -DD I gave you links, but you failed to provide any of your links to prove your point. I am here for discussion with those who are willing to listen and provide productive and constructive points of view without any forms of attack or plays like I know better. So far you don't fit the frame of willigness to to discuss, accept other points views with respect, etc. Your approach to people who do not agree with your point is to attack them with use of intimidation and stupid comments about them. |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Sept 28, 2012 10:40:26 GMT -8
Yeah, you gave me links to blogs. You gave me links to stories which furthered theories, but alas, there is no definitive link between terrorists and pirates. Another thing I want to make clear, by link I mean proof the pirates are taking direction from the terrorists, or are funneling the majority of their money to the terrorists. That a few bucks here and there found their way to islamists shouldn't be that surprising. Pirates at one point were taking in multiple millions of dollars which went back to their Somali families and who may as one point of another given it to terrorists. This isn't a link, this is a coincidence, bud. I gave you all the reasons under the sun why there isn't a link, and the fact that there is no evidence of a link speaks volumes to support my view. You inisistence on your view in spite of ours is just IMHO, stubborness, on your part. I am here for discussion with those who are willing to listen and provide productive and constructive points of view without any forms of attack or plays like I know better.Interesting, say a person in a discussion about Libya, makes a vague comment about knowing people who "worked over there" trying to use this as a claim of superior knowledge on Libya. Wouldn't this person be "playing like they know better?"  Your approach to people who do not agree with your point is to attack them with use of intimidation and stupid comments about them.I expect people to defend their beliefs and to be honest on this board. If they are not I won't go easy on them. Honest discussion shouldn't be this difficult to come by and it pisses me off when people spin and lie to defend themselves, or in your case just mealy mouth your way out of even offereing a defense. Their your views, they should matter to you otherwise what are you doing here? What's the point? You wake up everyday and say "gosh I'll start another twenty threads and hope nobody ever responds to them?" It doesn't make sense. -DD |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Sept 28, 2012 10:51:51 GMT -8
Another thing I want to ask you, are you aware of how big a deal it is Kismaayo has been captured?
This is a thread deserving of discussion itself for folks like myself who have been interested in events in Somalia for some years.
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Post by peterd on Sept 28, 2012 10:58:51 GMT -8
Based on your "high power comments" and your attitude it is obvious that civil discussion with you is impossible. I am done with you.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Sept 28, 2012 11:31:18 GMT -8
Based on your "high power comments" and your attitude it is obvious that civil discussion with you is impossible. I am done with you. Based on the above, it's obvious you need your hand held in every discussion in order for you to consider it "civil." I said nothing insulting to you here and gave you every chance to explain and defend your side. All you did was cry about perceived slights and insults. Grow up dude. -DD |
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Post by peterd on Oct 1, 2012 9:53:24 GMT -8
Somalia’s pirates are not merry bands of lucky amateurs. They are organized militias with informants in foreign ports, and networks of ransom negotiators, money launderers, and arms runners abroad. Moreover, there is mounting evidence of collaboration between militant Islamists and pirate militias. While al-Shabaab initially viewed pirate militias as dangerous territorial rivals, they have begun to enter into a tentative alliance. Pirates supply al-Shabaab with cash and smuggled weapons in exchange for training and the use of ports in al-Shabaab-controlled territory. Al-Shabaab operatives, many educated abroad in al-Qaeda training camps, are able to provide pirates with the advanced tactics needed to challenge private security companies and maritime protection teams employed by global shipping companies. www.commentarymagazine.com/article/terrorism-and-piracy-the-new-alliance/ |
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Post by dustdevil28 on Oct 1, 2012 12:56:36 GMT -8
Somalia’s pirates are not merry bands of lucky amateurs. They are organized militias with informants in foreign ports, and networks of ransom negotiators, money launderers, and arms runners abroad. Moreover, there is mounting evidence of collaboration between militant Islamists and pirate militias. While al-Shabaab initially viewed pirate militias as dangerous territorial rivals, they have begun to enter into a tentative alliance. Pirates supply al-Shabaab with cash and smuggled weapons in exchange for training and the use of ports in al-Shabaab-controlled territory. Al-Shabaab operatives, many educated abroad in al-Qaeda training camps, are able to provide pirates with the advanced tactics needed to challenge private security companies and maritime protection teams employed by global shipping companies. www.commentarymagazine.com/article/terrorism-and-piracy-the-new-alliance/Interesting article pete. Aside from the fact it's 19 months old, lets look at a few things I took from it. Al-Shabaab operatives, many educated abroad in al-Qaeda training camps, are able to provide pirates with the advanced tactics needed to challenge private security companies and maritime protection teams employed by global shipping companies.Funny thing, I just did a quick google search to see if any boat with an embarked security team had ever been taken by pirates. I found one example of a fishing boat with a somali security team which had been taken. All others apparently haven't occured. Of boats which did have security teams and were attacked, I found items like this which state the attack was thwarted after security teams fired warning shots at the pirates. Considering the incident took place in July, five months after your article, it appears to throw doubt either on the level of training provided by al Shabaab, or whether any training has occured at all. www.somaliareport.com/index.php/post/1193/Armed_Security_Teams_Repel_2_Pirate_AttacksThe rest of the article is interesting, and makes allegation of "more ties" developing, but in the end it offers on theories, not proof. If those theories were correct I would have expected concrete proof to have come out by now, wouldn't you? |
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