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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 1, 2006 21:59:41 GMT -8
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Post by cameron on Mar 1, 2006 22:58:06 GMT -8
The United Nations has become irrelevant in my view, much the same as the League of Nations became irrelevant. The United Nations allows nations like Libya to chair the commission or committee on human rights. Then while ignoring real human rights violations, they attack the United States for imagined violations. I think it is time to recognize the United Nations has failed in it's lofty ideals and mission. We should start to organize nations of a like mind interested in promoting freedom, democracy, and economic reform around the world. We should simply allow the United Nations to fall into the irrelevance it so earnestly deserves.
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Post by jfree on Mar 2, 2006 0:04:23 GMT -8
You'd think they at least have some standards on who can be a member, but no.
I say they need to start Nations for World democracies and human rights, but then there is no way Syria or Lybia or the like would ever want to join. Too bad, they suck anyhow. Didnt someone suggest that we kick the UN out and use the building for Katrina victims? That sounds good to me.
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 2, 2006 8:34:33 GMT -8
Not have Syria or Lybia in the Federation of Free States? but the have SO much to offer. Just look at the cultural advances that have come from the mideast in the...in...well, since the...Ummmmmm, never mind....
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Post by cameron on Mar 3, 2006 3:25:09 GMT -8
I don't know if you guys are aware of Mark Steyn but he is one of the best journalist out there, who also happens to be a prolific writer. He has writen a piece entitled America and the United Nations. At one level, the United Nations is merely the latest variant on the Congress of Vienna held almost two centuries ago—a venue where the great powers sit down to resolve the problems of the world to their mutual satisfaction. Unfortunately, unlike Lord Castlereagh, Prince Metternich and Talleyrand, none of whom would be asked to audition for a “We Are The World” charity fundraising single, the UN has become the repository of all the West’s sappiest illusions of one-worldism.
Let me give an example. Nearly three years ago, the space shuttle Columbia crashed, and Katie Couric on NBC’s Today show saluted the fallen heroes as follows: “They were an airborne United Nations—men, women, an African-American, an Indian woman, an Israeli....” By contrast, there’s a famous terror-supporting Islamist imam in Britain, Abu Hamza, who, when the shuttle crashed, claimed it was God’s punishment “because it carried Americans, an Israeli and a Hindu, a trinity of evil against Islam.” Say what you like about the old Islamofascist nutcake, but he was at least paying attention to the particulars of the situation, not just peddling, as Katie Couric did, vapid “multi-culti” bromides.
Why couldn’t Katie have said the Columbia was an airborne America? After all, the “Indian woman,” Kalpana Chawla, was the American Dream writ large upon the stars: she emigrated to the U.S. in the 1980s and became an astronaut within a decade. What an incredible country. But somehow it wasn’t enough to see in the crew’s multiple ethnicities a stirring testament to the possibilities of her own land; instead, Katie upgraded them into an emblem of what seemed to her a far nobler ideal—the UN.
In the days before Miss Couric’s observation—this was in 2003, just before the Iraq war— there had been two notable news items about the United Nations: (1) The newly elected chair of the UN Human Rights Commission was Colonel Gaddafi’s Libya; and (2) it was announced that in May, the presidency of the UN Conference on Disarmament would pass to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. But as Katie demonstrated, no matter what the UN actually is, the very initials evoke in her and many others some vague blurry memory of a long-ago UNESCO benefit with Danny Kaye or Audrey Hepburn surrounded by smiling children of many lands. There were many woozy Western leftists who felt—and still feel—that the theoretical idealism of Communism excused all its terrible failures in practice. The UN gets a similar pass, but from a far larger number of people. How else to explain all the polls in Europe, Australia, Canada and even America that show large numbers of people will only support war if it’s approved by the UN?Please read the whole thing
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 3, 2006 20:35:00 GMT -8
More and more I worry about the future of our nation. The large number of people out there who think the UN is pinacle of justice and equality. That they are completely clueless about how things are in the real world, that they think thst the "Bad" people just need a hug cause there's feelings were hurt by the evil United States. After all, it's America's fault that the middle east has been culturally, scientifically and socially stagnant for the last 500 years.
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Post by cameron on Mar 3, 2006 22:42:39 GMT -8
This may come as a surprise but I'm optimistic about the future of the country, and not at all worried about the "we are the world" idiots and morons winning the battle for the hearts and minds of the American electorate. They've been loosing the war of ideas for years now. It just isn't as obvious as it should be, since their last strong holds are the MSM and Academia. Now those bastions are manning the barricades and are under siege by conservative ideas. The outcome is to a large degree already predestined.
It's the middle east and Muslim world I'm not so sure of, is it even possible to reconcile modernity with the Islamic world? I read these words from Winston Churchill today and it has left me much to ponder.
We don't mind standing side-by-side with you in the fight against the tyranny of orthodox Islam. In fact, we recognize that, as Sir Winston Churchill put it succinctly over a century ago, "individual Muslims may show splendid qualities". However, as long as you deny what Churchill equally well knew, you are not addressing the fundamental problem:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
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Post by MrDoublel on Mar 4, 2006 3:13:45 GMT -8
I've learned a LOT about their system of faith and it's tendancies toward anarchy. How they have avoided imploding on themselves is amazing. I guess that's where we fall into the picture, they can blame us for EVERYTHING (or say "Inshallah"). Grant, we (as in the western world) have not been all that considerate of the people when it came to supporting the different governments in that part of the world. That "enemy of my enemy" thing comes to mind.
Sadly (and I say sadly because I know how civilisation, as we know it, is dependant upon petrochemicals) I look forward to the day when we've pulled the last barrel of oil crude from the sand over here and we then we can pretty much turn our back on this part of the world.
By nature I'm usually an optimistic person but I guess that come's with the territory of my faith. (Funny how christianity works that way) What worries me is we see all the stories about Emminant Domain abuse going on in the country, all these extreem left wing idiots that are teachers (obviously they couldn't do, so sadly, now they teach.) trying to fill our childrens full of their bullshit. Their pursuit of mediocrity (perhaps this is due to their failure to excell and are no compinsating by dragging the children down...) is sickening.
Well look at me ramble! :-)
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