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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 12:04:47 GMT -8
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect WelfareSurprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%). More: www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/Here is the report referenced in the blog article: cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 So whose fault is that, ours, or theirs? Those already here aren't going anywhere. So suck it up. |
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Post by Sailor on Jun 19, 2013 15:59:24 GMT -8
Suggesting that God supports illegal immigration is BEYOND stupid. Illegals are stealing from ALL of us by taking entry level jobs in the construction industry that used to go to legal unskilled workers, both immigrant and native born. They steal from ALL of us by fraudulently using other peoples SSAN, by driving with neither licenses nor insurance, by disproportionally using emergency medical services as primary care and other ways too numerous to mention. Providing them with legalization and a path to citizenship without FIRST securing the borders in such a way as to prevent another tsunami of illegal immigration is tantamount to national suicide. Wake up and smell the bacon. I suggested no such thing. Time to wake up and greet the sun. What I said was "God's law comes first" and it does. Since that isn't clear enough for you, Moral law is God's law. Governmental administrative law is a distant second. Where in God's Law does it say "Take from Peter and give to Paul?" |
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Post by Sailor on Jun 19, 2013 16:05:40 GMT -8
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect WelfareSurprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%). More: www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/Here is the report referenced in the blog article: cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 So whose fault is that, ours, or theirs? It's the fault of those who insist on being so damned generous with other people's money. Make it difficult enough by cutting off the goodies and a large percentage will self-deport. Many already did during the so-called "Great Recession" and didn't come back. Those that didn't to a large extent stayed because welfare, food stamps and other public aid make it easy and more comfortable to stay. |
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 19, 2013 16:30:32 GMT -8
Suggesting that God supports illegal immigration is BEYOND stupid. Illegals are stealing from ALL of us by taking entry level jobs in the construction industry that used to go to legal unskilled workers, both immigrant and native born. They steal from ALL of us by fraudulently using other peoples SSAN, by driving with neither licenses nor insurance, by disproportionally using emergency medical services as primary care and other ways too numerous to mention. Providing them with legalization and a path to citizenship without FIRST securing the borders in such a way as to prevent another tsunami of illegal immigration is tantamount to national suicide. Wake up and smell the bacon. I suggested no such thing. Time to wake up and greet the sun. What I said was "God's law comes first" and it does. Since that isn't clear enough for you, Moral law is God's law. Governmental administrative law is a distant second. Labeling 11 million souls who's crime is a desire to provide for themselves and their families is worthy of a discussion on Stormfront. How does it feel to know you could post your views on stormfront and get complete agreement? Immigrants are a net benefit to our economy and this isn't really a contentious claim among economists. It is because of such ignorant views that the GOP as squandered the votes of millions already legally here. You sound like a bunch of ignorant bigots. And this has nothing to do with God's law. Your suggestion that it does is borderline blasphemy. Stormfront? Are we really going there again? We played that game before and it had a bad outcome. I can easily counter that argument by pointing out that YOUR views are more in line with DU, DailyKos, and CPUSA. Please don't give me false arguments like "economists believe...". I'm not buying that bullshit from Paul Krugman and I won't buy it from you. I repeat: Providing them with legalization and a path to citizenship without FIRST securing the borders in such a way as to prevent another tsunami of illegal immigration is tantamount to national suicide. You call that bigoted? I call it common sense. Your argument isn't new. I heard it in 1963 and again in 1986. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. The ignorant view here is yours. |
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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 17:41:26 GMT -8
I have not made any statements that come any where near being blasphemous. You are assuming positions I do not hold and refusing to recognize some cold hard realities.
The last thing I need to deal with is some dip shit who hasn't a clue calling me a blasphemer. It shouldn't be a surprise since the last time you and the rest of the brain trust here accused me of ulterior motives and of being unpatriotic for not supporting your ignorant views on immigration.
Now see if you can't get this very simple and easy to understand little fact to permeate through to your mind.
Immigration policies are administrative law.
Moral laws are God's laws, think theft or murder, etc.
Get the difference. or is that too complicated for you?
Let me be clear, perfectly clear.
The way you and the rest of the know-nothings here acted last time around was extremely rude and offense.
I was accused of being a traitor and of having ulterior motives for not agreeing with your views on immigration. Despite the fact my views are in fact more prevalent even among conservatives.
Now you accuse me of blasphemy?
Just where do you get off?
I'm not going to put up with that from you or anyone.
You owe me an apology.
did you read the either of the two other posts on immigration I just put up? I suspect not. I don't need to put up with this crap from you and the rest here.
We're done.
Godspeed to ya
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 19, 2013 18:44:05 GMT -8
You're the one who brought God's law into the discussion. If there's a dipshit around here it's you.
Let's take that into consideration before we call others "rude, offensive, and know-nothings."
"I don't need to put up with this crap from you and the rest here."
Wow! Who's all butt-hurt because people disagree with his position.
"You owe me an apology."
Like hell, I do.
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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 19:09:35 GMT -8
You're the one who brought God's law into the discussion. If there's a dipshit around here it's you. Let's take that into consideration before we call others "rude, offensive, and know-nothings." "I don't need to put up with this crap from you and the rest here." Wow! Who's all butt-hurt because people disagree with his position. "You owe me an apology." Like hell, I do. Like hell you don't. You ignorantly accused me of blasphemy!!! Then accuse me of being butthurt over an insult? Dip shit is an insult, blasphemy is a sin. shouldn't be surprised you can't see the difference. Since you refuse to recognize the moral difference between Moral law, and Administrative law. First the BS with Warrior and now this from you. Have fun storming the castle boys. I now think it was a bad idea joining this group. I don't need theologically ignorant dip shits like you accusing me of blasphemy. You do in fact owe me an apology. but then you've owed one to me before but where to caught up in your own BS to know accusing me of being a traitor was over the line. Those already here aren't going anywhere and each time you dip shits refuse to compromise you are going to get less not more the next time around. Grow the fuck up and learn to deal with reality on it's own terms. I I'm all about securing the boarder by the by. I was making a salient point that was relevant to this discussion when bringing up God's law. God doesn't give a shit about administrative laws, or our nation's immigration policies. Administrative laws are not about morality. Labeling 11 million souls criminal for not for breaking moral laws, ie God's laws, but for breaking administrative laws is in fact ignorant. You accused me of blasphemy for pointing out something that is not a matter of opinion or even in dispute. Not among Christian theologians anyway. Just you website scholars. Try pulling your head out of your ass 101 |
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 19, 2013 20:10:43 GMT -8
I did nothing ignorantly.
Nor did I accuse you of anything.
Nor am I theologically ignorant, having studied the Word since I was four.
God's law wasn't part of this discussion until you made it so, in order to impress someone with your point. That may fall short of blasphemy but in many circles, that is considered taking the Lord's name in vain.
Now I'm duly impressed that God has revealed his will to you regarding 11 million illegals but I seriously doubt your views on the matter are more prevalent among conservatives than mine.
"I'm all about securing the boarder by the by."
If you think that will ever happen if you legalize first, you are simply naïve.
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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 21:39:45 GMT -8
I did nothing ignorantly. Nor did I accuse you of anything. Nor am I theologically ignorant, having studied the Word since I was four. God's law wasn't part of this discussion until you made it so, in order to impress someone with your point. That may fall short of blasphemy but in many circles, that is considered taking the Lord's name in vain. Now I'm duly impressed that God has revealed his will to you regarding 11 million illegals but I seriously doubt your views on the matter are more prevalent among conservatives than mine. "I'm all about securing the boarder by the by." If you think that will ever happen if you legalize first, you are simply naïve. How dare you? You just doubled down on accusing me of blasphemy. I did not use God to make my point. Nor did I claim divine revelation. What I did was point to the well defined and a commonly understood differences between Administrative law, and Moral law. Among us Christians it is understood that Moral law is God's law. Administrative law is not Moral law, it is administrative. Are you having a hard time understanding the difference? You have not only bared false witness against me, you have labeled millions of people criminals, and doing so not based on Moral law, but on Administrative law. Being a man of the Word are you certain that is something you wish to let stand? I would suggest you take the time to pray on this before commenting any further. As for me, I'm about done casting pearls before swine. |
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 19, 2013 21:50:24 GMT -8
Oh, bullshit.
Get over yourself.
Romans 12:3
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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 22:18:29 GMT -8
Not bullshit
2 Timothy 4:7
I will try to get over myself with help from my friends?
You can't help but now know you misunderstood what was being conveyed.
You stubborn old coot, you owe me an apology.
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Post by Sailor on Jun 20, 2013 5:08:50 GMT -8
I really love it when someone claims to know the mind of God when trying to win an argument. That indicates to me that they realize they don't have any other leg to stand on.
I also really love it when someone claims an entire block of people is special and above the law. They are not, no one is - not you, not me, not the Pope, no man is - and most certainly the 11 to 20 million people who are in this country illegally are not. An argument can actually be made that they are invaders.
You don't like my point of view? Tough shit shipmate.
I am something of a 2nd generation American. Some of my ancestors immigrated here after WWI, assimilated and played by the fucking rules. If these "immigrants" who are here illegally today want to stay they should be playing by the fucking rules too just as other immigrants are. If not then they should realize they are nothing special and leave.
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Post by cam on Jun 20, 2013 12:09:30 GMT -8
I really love it when someone claims to know the mind of God when trying to win an argument. That indicates to me that they realize they don't have any other leg to stand on. I also really love it when someone claims an entire block of people is special and above the law. They are not, no one is - not you, not me, not the Pope, no man is - and most certainly the 11 to 20 million people who are in this country illegally are not. An argument can actually be made that they are invaders. You don't like my point of view? Tough shit shipmate. I am something of a 2nd generation American. Some of my ancestors immigrated here after WWI, assimilated and played by the fucking rules. If these "immigrants" who are here illegally today want to stay they should be playing by the fucking rules too just as other immigrants are. If not then they should realize they are nothing special and leave. I never claimed to know the mind of God. What I know is the difference between Administrative law, and Moral law. Something you should work on. Nor have I claimed anyone is above the law. That our immigration policies and the bureaucracy that enforces them is and has been broken for some time is not in dispute. And we have only ourselves to blame for that. That you label people who are only doing what is best for themselves and their families as criminals says a great deal about who and what you are while saying nothing at all about them. If you think you can advocate in favor of policies that fail to recognize we are all God's children deserve to be treated with compassion and understanding. Then I would argue you have strayed from the one true path. |
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 20, 2013 18:02:55 GMT -8
"You stubborn old coot, you owe me an apology."
Hold your breath, you insolent pup.
I owe you nothing, not even the bandwidth required for further response.
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Post by prospero on Jun 21, 2013 1:26:43 GMT -8
Well, if some fella was to break into a bank and stay there for a few minutes does that mean we have to buy the fella stock in the bank?
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