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Post by 101ABN on Jun 10, 2013 17:33:33 GMT -8
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Post by Sailor on Jun 11, 2013 17:17:30 GMT -8
Damn it, I shoulda known he was too good to be true. He's been hanging with McCain too fucking long.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Jun 15, 2013 12:40:13 GMT -8
What's the alternative? Mass deportation? It'll never happen, let's concede a point that will have to be conceded anyway and focus on setting up the law to prevent this situation from reoccurring, or getting worse.
-DD
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 15, 2013 16:48:38 GMT -8
What's the alternative? Mass deportation? It'll never happen, let's concede a point that will have to be conceded anyway and focus on setting up the law to prevent this situation from reoccurring, or getting worse. -DD As if those were our only two choices. It's naive to think that if legalization comes first, the rest will ever happen. Sorry, DD. I've seen this before. |
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Post by prospero on Jun 16, 2013 7:25:41 GMT -8
Just another of a series of amnesty buy offs which in turn prompt more illegals to swarm over the border looking for the next one.
If an actual accounting were ever tallied of the real cumulative effect of the illegal border crashers. We might discover that it is cheaper and less dangerous to be in a medium intensity shooting war. Then mass deportation might not seem so out there.
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Post by cam on Jun 17, 2013 15:48:03 GMT -8
Just another of a series of amnesty buy offs which in turn prompt more illegals to swarm over the border looking for the next one. If an actual accounting were ever tallied of the real cumulative effect of the illegal border crashers. We might discover that it is cheaper and less dangerous to be in a medium intensity shooting war. Then mass deportation might not seem so out there. Mass deportations? Lets start dealing with reality in a prudent fashion. The idea that 11 million people can or will be deported or that it's even economically desirable, it isn't., is nothing but a fantasy. Those here are not going to be deported. It isn't going to happen. Time for immigration absolutists to start dealing with this issue honestly. The Republican brand has been tarnished among a natural constituency for generations out of stupidity. Calling people criminals for only doing what they need to do for themselves and their families is immature and childish. There is a difference between moral law, and administrative law. They are guilty of breaking an administrative law, not a moral law. People who label them criminals are ignorant idiots. |
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Post by Sailor on Jun 17, 2013 18:21:04 GMT -8
Calling people criminals for only doing what they need to do for themselves and their families is immature and childish. There is a difference between moral law, and administrative law. They are guilty of breaking an administrative law, not a moral law. People who label them criminals are ignorant idiots.
So Cam, if I were to leave to visit my daughter upstate and, when I return find my home invaded by squatters who've taken up residence I would be an "ignorant idiot" for wanting them to leave and refusing to support them? Same principal, illegal aliens are criminals by definition just the same as any other scoff-law. They knowingly broke federal laws in coming here the way they did. It isn't an "administrative law," it is a criminal offense. So get over it, THEY ... ARE ... CRIMINALS.
Deporting all 11 million may not be doable, but sealing the fucking border with a patrolled fence and deporting every one of them who gets picked up by the police or ICE is doable and has to be done or we might just as well abolish the border with Mexico entirely and annex the whole country. IMO the only ones who deserve any alternative consideration are those who were brought here as minors and had no say in the matter at the time.
For the others, turn off the welfare, foodstamp and healthcare taps (other than emergency medical care.) Go after the people who knowingly employ illegals, apply heavy duty fines and prison time where appropriate. Cut off the work and taxpayer financed goodies and we won't have to deport them, the majority will leave for greener fields.
If you have a better idea, let's hear it. I've read your whining and bitching about illegals being referred to as "illegal aliens" for years, but I don't recall any realistic solution to go with the whining.
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Post by cam on Jun 17, 2013 18:59:21 GMT -8
Calling people criminals for only doing what they need to do for themselves and their families is immature and childish. There is a difference between moral law, and administrative law. They are guilty of breaking an administrative law, not a moral law. People who label them criminals are ignorant idiots.So Cam, if I were to leave to visit my daughter upstate and, when I return find my home invaded by squatters who've taken up residence I would be an "ignorant idiot" for wanting them to leave and refusing to support them? Same principal, illegal aliens are criminals by definition just the same as any other scoff-law. They knowingly broke federal laws in coming here the way they did. It isn't an "administrative law," it is a criminal offense. So get over it, THEY ... ARE ... CRIMINALS. Deporting all 11 million may not be doable, but sealing the fucking border with a patrolled fence and deporting every one of them who gets picked up by the police or ICE is doable and has to be done or we might just as well abolish the border with Mexico entirely and annex the whole country. IMO the only ones who deserve any alternative consideration are those who were brought here as minors and had no say in the matter at the time. For the others, turn off the welfare, foodstamp and healthcare taps (other than emergency medical care.) Go after the people who knowingly employ illegals, apply heavy duty fines and prison time where appropriate. Cut off the work and taxpayer financed goodies and we won't have to deport them, the majority will leave for greener fields. If you have a better idea, let's hear it. I've read your whining and bitching about illegals being referred to as "illegal aliens" for years, but I don't recall any realistic solution to go with the whining. No it isn't the same principle. Sorry but due to economies of scale your wealth has grown not diminished. No one has violated anyone's private property. There is a big difference between administrative law and moral law. Pretending otherwise is simply ignorant, it just is. |
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Post by Sailor on Jun 18, 2013 2:36:55 GMT -8
Grown in what way? I've got a bunch of people living uninvited on my property, sponging off my "wealth" and providing little if anything back to me in return.
The borders of the nation can be considered the nation's "property line." Thus the people crossing that "property line" are trespassers.
By your arguments you are saying the laws which are supposed to govern and protect the citizens and LEGAL residents of this country should be overridden by what you consider to be "moral laws," that the laws that are in place to protect the citizens and legal residents should be ignored because a minority consider them wrong and immoral.
Please tell me "no one is being hurt" by the flood of illegal aliens coming to this country, many of whom are drawing on social programs that were intended to provide aid to citizens and LEGAL residents who are in dire straits and give little if anything back to the society they are sponging off of, just like those imaginary squatters who are raiding my refrigerator and pantry and are crying that it's unfair that I won't restock them and actually have the balls to demand they leave.
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Post by peterd on Jun 18, 2013 4:00:23 GMT -8
Yes, illegals should be deported. In general, if a person allows thief to stay on his property, he supports the crime.
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Post by cam on Jun 18, 2013 12:00:45 GMT -8
Grown in what way? I've got a bunch of people living uninvited on my property, sponging off my "wealth" and providing little if anything back to me in return. The borders of the nation can be considered the nation's "property line." Thus the people crossing that "property line" are trespassers. By your arguments you are saying the laws which are supposed to govern and protect the citizens and LEGAL residents of this country should be overridden by what you consider to be "moral laws," that the laws that are in place to protect the citizens and legal residents should be ignored because a minority consider them wrong and immoral. Please tell me "no one is being hurt" by the flood of illegal aliens coming to this country, many of whom are drawing on social programs that were intended to provide aid to citizens and LEGAL residents who are in dire straits and give little if anything back to the society they are sponging off of, just like those imaginary squatters who are raiding my refrigerator and pantry and are crying that it's unfair that I won't restock them and actually have the balls to demand they leave. Your analogy is false. They are coming here to work and earn a living for themselves and their families. They have taken nothing away from you. In fact the reason Western Europe is in as much trouble as they are is due to a drop in birth rates. Something that as been ameliorated here by a large influx of new immigrants. Keeping in mind that correlation isn't necessarily causation the fact is each major expansion of our economy has throughout our history been preceded by a large influx of new immigrants. No one has stolen anything from you by simply coming here to work. I would suggest you judge not lest ye be judged. There is in fact a huge difference between breaking an administrative law and breaking a moral law. To stubbornly refuse to recognize that very clear difference is to be a bozo. God's law comes first everything else is a distant second. We personally and standing together as a nation ignore that at our peril. New immigrants are a net benefit to our economy, It's all about economies of scale, go ask an economist. Attempting to paint millions of otherwise law abiding God fearing individuals as a criminals is the epitome of stupid. |
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Post by 101ABN on Jun 18, 2013 15:26:15 GMT -8
Suggesting that God supports illegal immigration is BEYOND stupid.
Illegals are stealing from ALL of us by taking entry level jobs in the construction industry that used to go to legal unskilled workers, both immigrant and native born. They steal from ALL of us by fraudulently using other peoples SSAN, by driving with neither licenses nor insurance, by disproportionally using emergency medical services as primary care and other ways too numerous to mention.
Providing them with legalization and a path to citizenship without FIRST securing the borders in such a way as to prevent another tsunami of illegal immigration is tantamount to national suicide.
Wake up and smell the bacon.
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Post by Sailor on Jun 18, 2013 17:16:50 GMT -8
Grown in what way? I've got a bunch of people living uninvited on my property, sponging off my "wealth" and providing little if anything back to me in return. The borders of the nation can be considered the nation's "property line." Thus the people crossing that "property line" are trespassers. By your arguments you are saying the laws which are supposed to govern and protect the citizens and LEGAL residents of this country should be overridden by what you consider to be "moral laws," that the laws that are in place to protect the citizens and legal residents should be ignored because a minority consider them wrong and immoral. Please tell me "no one is being hurt" by the flood of illegal aliens coming to this country, many of whom are drawing on social programs that were intended to provide aid to citizens and LEGAL residents who are in dire straits and give little if anything back to the society they are sponging off of, just like those imaginary squatters who are raiding my refrigerator and pantry and are crying that it's unfair that I won't restock them and actually have the balls to demand they leave. Your analogy is false. They are coming here to work and earn a living for themselves and their families. They have taken nothing away from you. One word: BULLSHIT.I know better. |
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Post by Sailor on Jun 19, 2013 5:11:51 GMT -8
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect WelfareSurprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%). More: www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/Here is the report referenced in the blog article: cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
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Post by cam on Jun 19, 2013 12:01:53 GMT -8
Suggesting that God supports illegal immigration is BEYOND stupid. Illegals are stealing from ALL of us by taking entry level jobs in the construction industry that used to go to legal unskilled workers, both immigrant and native born. They steal from ALL of us by fraudulently using other peoples SSAN, by driving with neither licenses nor insurance, by disproportionally using emergency medical services as primary care and other ways too numerous to mention. Providing them with legalization and a path to citizenship without FIRST securing the borders in such a way as to prevent another tsunami of illegal immigration is tantamount to national suicide. Wake up and smell the bacon. I suggested no such thing. Time to wake up and greet the sun. What I said was "God's law comes first" and it does. Since that isn't clear enough for you, Moral law is God's law. Governmental administrative law is a distant second. Labeling 11 million souls who's crime is a desire to provide for themselves and their families is worthy of a discussion on Stormfront. How does it feel to know you could post your views on stormfront and get complete agreement? Immigrants are a net benefit to our economy and this isn't really a contentious claim among economists. It is because of such ignorant views that the GOP as squandered the votes of millions already legally here. You sound like a bunch of ignorant bigots. |
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