Oh God!!!! Anything but sex!!!!

[mateo]

merceditas said:

mateo said:

Well, I'm not really trying to make that argument, but yeah, the government should mind their own business. I'm trying to drive the point home that Americans think that unchecked violence, even against cops and the military, in entertainment is fine, but bring sex into it, and it's all of the sudden this horrible catastophy. As far as I'm concerned, it's people not getting laid enough who get all bent out of shape about this shit.

I agree with you, Mateo, if this is the case. I wouldn't want my children playing games especially that is about killing cops, military as much as I wouldn't want them seeing sex on their games.

If I was a parent, I'd rather that there be sexual content in video games rather than cop killing. At least the former is a natural human behavior. Well, at least that's what it's supposed to be. the Puritans in America would rather it be looked upon as a dirty, evil enterprise.

Bill Hicks said it best (and I'm paraphrasing since this is from memory): Diesn't it seem odd that the same people who try to make you think sex is dirty are the same people who call on us to be fruitful and multiply?

[FightingFalcon]

americanpride said:

fightingfalcon said:

I'm with Owen on this one - why the fuck does the government need to tell people what types of games they can and cannot play?

They don't. They rate the games so that parents can know what material their children will be playing.

The companies individually decided to remove GTA from the shelves.

Actually, Hillary Clinton led a campaign to try and remove the game from stores, which amounts to nothing more than government censorship.

This game is just another example of why I hate those MADD-related groups. God damn soccer moms with too much free time on their hands so they have to ruin everyone else's good time. If you don't want your son buying the game, DON'T BUY IT MORON. But don't make me suffer because of your fucking prude behavior.

[mateo]

fightingfalcon said:

americanpride said:

They don't. They rate the games so that parents can know what material their children will be playing.

The companies individually decided to remove GTA from the shelves.

Actually, Hillary Clinton led a campaign to try and remove the game from stores, which amounts to nothing more than government censorship.

This game is just another example of why I hate those MADD-related groups. God damn soccer moms with too much free time on their hands so they have to ruin everyone else's good time. If you don't want your son buying the game, DON'T BUY IT MORON. But don't make me suffer because of your fucking prude behavior.

And we wonder why people grow up and still act like they're twelve years old when it comes to sex.

[americanpride]

mateo said:

americanpride said:

They don't. They rate the games so that parents can know what material their children will be playing.

The companies individually decided to remove GTA from the shelves.

You really are missing the point. I don't care if the companies decided to remove the game from the shelf. That's their call. I'm taking issue with the fact that the companies only decided to remove the game when sex became an issue, not cop killing, thus putting on full display America's unhealthy, puritanical outlook on sex. That's it. That's all I was getting at. You seem to be really hung up on the fact that I don't agree with pressing illegals into service, which is something you need to get over. Actually, I think you just need to get over yourself. You hang around here with this holier than thou attitude, when the fact is, you're really not that important. In fact, I fail to see how you have any real world experience as an adult while a full time college student. Why should anyone here take you seriously? Because you read alot? So do I. It doesn't mean shit.

You're quite the angry fellow Mateo. But let me explain a few things to you before your next temper tantrum.

(1) Sex in video games changes the rating of said games from mature to adult. It's the policy of many companies not to carry adult titles - now if something other than sex bumped the game from mature to adult, the companies would still not carry it. So sex is a moot point. It's just your obsession with non-stop consequence free underage non-parental consented fucking that continually brings this to issue.

(2) I have never claimed to be "holier" or superior in any way to another individual for slight causes or trivial pursuits. You, however, consistently illustrate your own inferiority with such wonderful solutions as "fuck it" and such indisputable answers as "fuck them".

(3) I frankly don't care if you take me "seriously" or not. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I, on the other hand, stopped taking you seriously some time ago.

[americanpride]

fightingfalcon said:

americanpride said:

They don't. They rate the games so that parents can know what material their children will be playing.

The companies individually decided to remove GTA from the shelves.

Actually, Hillary Clinton led a campaign to try and remove the game from stores, which amounts to nothing more than government censorship.

This game is just another example of why I hate those MADD-related groups. God damn soccer moms with too much free time on their hands so they have to ruin everyone else's good time. If you don't want your son buying the game, DON'T BUY IT MORON. But don't make me suffer because of your fucking prude behavior.

So what? The fact is that companies voluntarily removed the game from their shelves. That is not censorship. That is your precious free market at work.

Now - certainly if you desire such a game, you could still purchase it yourself online or from selected venues, or you could just go into business yourself and make it. Interesting how when the free market reacts in a way that you desire it not to, it's suddenly "government censorship".

[mateo]

americanpride said:

mateo said:

You really are missing the point. I don't care if the companies decided to remove the game from the shelf. That's their call. I'm taking issue with the fact that the companies only decided to remove the game when sex became an issue, not cop killing, thus putting on full display America's unhealthy, puritanical outlook on sex. That's it. That's all I was getting at. You seem to be really hung up on the fact that I don't agree with pressing illegals into service, which is something you need to get over. Actually, I think you just need to get over yourself. You hang around here with this holier than thou attitude, when the fact is, you're really not that important. In fact, I fail to see how you have any real world experience as an adult while a full time college student. Why should anyone here take you seriously? Because you read alot? So do I. It doesn't mean shit.

You're quite the angry fellow Mateo. But let me explain a few things to you before your next temper tantrum.

(1) Sex in video games changes the rating of said games from mature to adult. It's the policy of many companies not to carry adult titles - now if something other than sex bumped the game from mature to adult, the companies would still not carry it. So sex is a moot point. It's just your obsession with non-stop consequence free underage non-parental consented fucking that continually brings this to issue.

(2) I have never claimed to be "holier" or superior in any way to another individual for slight causes or trivial pursuits. You, however, consistently illustrate your own inferiority with such wonderful solutions as "fuck it" and such indisputable answers as "fuck them".

(3) I frankly don't care if you take me "seriously" or not. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I, on the other hand, stopped taking you seriously some time ago.

Well, now you're accusing me of criminal behavior (quite unfounded, I might add). You never had any intention of trying to discuss this issue, and form the get go you were looking for a fight. I don't take unfounded, libelous criminal accusations lightly, even when on an anonymous message board. We'll see what 101 has to say about this. I don't think he'd appreciate people throwing around baseless criminal accusations around his board.

And no, I'm not angry. I'd never let a child like you get me to that point.

[americanpride]

mateo said:

americanpride said:

You're quite the angry fellow Mateo. But let me explain a few things to you before your next temper tantrum.

(1) Sex in video games changes the rating of said games from mature to adult. It's the policy of many companies not to carry adult titles - now if something other than sex bumped the game from mature to adult, the companies would still not carry it. So sex is a moot point. It's just your obsession with non-stop consequence free underage non-parental consented fucking that continually brings this to issue.

(2) I have never claimed to be "holier" or superior in any way to another individual for slight causes or trivial pursuits. You, however, consistently illustrate your own inferiority with such wonderful solutions as "fuck it" and such indisputable answers as "fuck them".

(3) I frankly don't care if you take me "seriously" or not. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I, on the other hand, stopped taking you seriously some time ago.

Well, now you're accusing me of criminal behavior (quite unfounded, I might add). You never had any intention of trying to discuss this issue, and form the get go you were looking for a fight. I don't take unfounded, libelous criminal accusations lightly, even when on an anonymous message board. We'll see what 101 has to say about this. I don't think he'd appreciate people throwing around baseless criminal accusations around his board.

And no, I'm not angry. I'd never let a child like you get me to that point.

A criminal accusation would be contacting the police.

BTW, any discussion with you usually has you resorting to "fuck it/them" as a solution, or posting an absurd unrelated picture in order to change the subject.

So - whine to 101 if you want. Whining is all you do around here.

[mateo]

americanpride said:

mateo said:

Well, now you're accusing me of criminal behavior (quite unfounded, I might add). You never had any intention of trying to discuss this issue, and form the get go you were looking for a fight. I don't take unfounded, libelous criminal accusations lightly, even when on an anonymous message board. We'll see what 101 has to say about this. I don't think he'd appreciate people throwing around baseless criminal accusations around his board.

And no, I'm not angry. I'd never let a child like you get me to that point.

A criminal accusation would be contacting the police.

BTW, any discussion with you usually has you resorting to "fuck it/them" as a solution, or posting an absurd unrelated picture in order to change the subject.

So - whine to 101 if you want. Whining is all you do around here.

Yeah, my solution to pretty much everyhting is: Fuck it. Pretty much everyone is useless and not worth my time. You're born, you work, you fuck, you die. there's the great mystery of life.

And what the hell do I whine about. Shit, there's probably about ten people who pretty much do nothing but cry about liberals, and bitch about THC posters.

Oh, and here's your picutre:

[americanpride]

mateo said:

americanpride said:

A criminal accusation would be contacting the police.

BTW, any discussion with you usually has you resorting to "fuck it/them" as a solution, or posting an absurd unrelated picture in order to change the subject.

So - whine to 101 if you want. Whining is all you do around here.

Yeah, my solution to pretty much everyhting is: Fuck it. Pretty much everyone is useless and not worth my time. You're born, you work, you fuck, you die. there's the great mystery of life.

And what the hell do I whine about. Shit, there's probably about ten people who pretty much do nothing but cry about liberals, and bitch about THC posters.

Oh, and here's your picutre:

Well - it's certainly your right to believe that.

And yes, plenty of people here that complain about the posters on THC. And I have expressed before that I think it's, well, pointless. Which is why I don't participate much on that part of the board - save for two posts that I can recall.

[Merceditas]

I thought the issue was that the sex involved in the game was hidden, so it those buying the game didn't know about it, till after they purchased it.

What would be the problem with people wanting disclosure of the content of the game so they knew what they were buying?

[FightingFalcon]

merceditas said:

I thought the issue was that the sex involved in the game was hidden, so it those buying the game didn't know about it, till after they purchased it.

What would be the problem with people wanting disclosure of the content of the game so they knew what they were buying?

Exactly - in order to unlock the hidden sex aspects of the game, you have to basically hack into the game. Something that most people cannot do and would require some serious knowledge of how video games work.

Secondly, if parents don't want children looking at such material, then don't let them buy it. Perhaps parents should start taking care of their children instead of the government doing it for them.

[FightingFalcon]

americanpride said:

fightingfalcon said:

Actually, Hillary Clinton led a campaign to try and remove the game from stores, which amounts to nothing more than government censorship.

This game is just another example of why I hate those MADD-related groups. God damn soccer moms with too much free time on their hands so they have to ruin everyone else's good time. If you don't want your son buying the game, DON'T BUY IT MORON. But don't make me suffer because of your fucking prude behavior.

So what? The fact is that companies voluntarily removed the game from their shelves. That is not censorship. That is your precious free market at work.

Now - certainly if you desire such a game, you could still purchase it yourself online or from selected venues, or you could just go into business yourself and make it. Interesting how when the free market reacts in a way that you desire it not to, it's suddenly "government censorship".

Because it was indeed government censorship - the government told the company that made the game that unless they change and/or remove the "offensive content" that a government inquiry was going to be launched into it.

I'm glad to know that you are perfectly OK with tax-payer dollars going to something as ridiculously stupid as this. Given your love of big government, why am I not surprised?

[americanpride]

fightingfalcon said:

americanpride said:

So what? The fact is that companies voluntarily removed the game from their shelves. That is not censorship. That is your precious free market at work.

Now - certainly if you desire such a game, you could still purchase it yourself online or from selected venues, or you could just go into business yourself and make it. Interesting how when the free market reacts in a way that you desire it not to, it's suddenly "government censorship".

Because it was indeed government censorship - the government told the company that made the game that unless they change and/or remove the "offensive content" that a government inquiry was going to be launched into it.

I'm glad to know that you are perfectly OK with tax-payer dollars going to something as ridiculously stupid as this. Given your love of big government, why am I not surprised?

Gee James - I was always of the opinion that when a company voluntarily decides to pull a game from it's own shelf, that it was the choice of independent companies. It's the policy of those companies to not sell adult rated games. The government did not make that decision for them. Now - the company that created GTA, (1) lied about the content of the game meaning the rating was incorrect to begin with (FRAUD) and (2) freely decided to re-create the game without the explicit content after being caught on the lie. That's their choice.

And that's the free market at work. Live with it.

[FightingFalcon]

americanpride said:

fightingfalcon said:

Because it was indeed government censorship - the government told the company that made the game that unless they change and/or remove the "offensive content" that a government inquiry was going to be launched into it.

I'm glad to know that you are perfectly OK with tax-payer dollars going to something as ridiculously stupid as this. Given your love of big government, why am I not surprised?

Gee James - I was always of the opinion that when a company voluntarily decides to pull a game from it's own shelf, that it was the choice of independent companies. It's the policy of those companies to not sell adult rated games. The government did not make that decision for them. Now - the company that created GTA, (1) lied about the content of the game meaning the rating was incorrect to begin with (FRAUD) and (2) freely decided to re-create the game without the explicit content after being caught on the lie. That's their choice.

And that's the free market at work. Live with it.

This was not a voluntary decision by companies to stop carrying the game. They realized that they didn't to deal with a government investigation and bowed to the pressure from both the FTC and other governmental watch-dog groups.

GTA San Andreas was the most popular game in America last year - you think companies really wanted to pull this game off their shelves? You can't be this stupid - this has nothing to do with the free market. It has everything to do with prude people (e.g. Hillary Clinton) having too much free time on their hands. It's yet another example of people being way too involved in the business of others.

[americanpride]

fightingfalcon said:

americanpride said:

Gee James - I was always of the opinion that when a company voluntarily decides to pull a game from it's own shelf, that it was the choice of independent companies. It's the policy of those companies to not sell adult rated games. The government did not make that decision for them. Now - the company that created GTA, (1) lied about the content of the game meaning the rating was incorrect to begin with (FRAUD) and (2) freely decided to re-create the game without the explicit content after being caught on the lie. That's their choice.

And that's the free market at work. Live with it.

This was not a voluntary decision by companies to stop carrying the game. They realized that they didn't to deal with a government investigation and bowed to the pressure from both the FTC and other governmental watch-dog groups.

GTA San Andreas was the most popular game in America last year - you think companies really wanted to pull this game off their shelves? You can't be this stupid - this has nothing to do with the free market. It has everything to do with prude people (e.g. Hillary Clinton) having too much free time on their hands. It's yet another example of people being way too involved in the business of others.

The free market worked exactly as it should. The government was not going to investigate Best Buy. It was this company, among others, that yanked GTA from its shelf because it is their policy to not sell adult rated games. Check it out.

The government was going to investigate why the company that created GTA lied about the content of the game, giving the game a false rating, and therefore LYING to the public and its consumers. The government, as referee, ensured that the company abides by LAW and that it DOES NOT LIE TO THE CONSUMER about its product(s).

(1)The company is at fault here for lying to the consumer.

(2)The government, as referee, stepped in to correct the infraction by changing the rating of GTA from mature to adult.

(3) Independent companies responded by pulling GTA from their shelves because they do not sell adult rated games.

(4) The company behind GTA, realizing they'll lose considerable profit from this, decided to re-work the game in order to restore it back to its mature rating.

And that's the free market.

Sorry James. Your understanding of the free market is sorely lacking. It's working like it should.