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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 11:14:21 GMT -8
OK let me see if I have this right. You know they recruit children to go blow themselves up among st other peoples children, and you still think we should support them financially? Because they were democratically elected? cameron, you beat me to it. This was going to be my next post. A bunch of psychopaths elect a bunch of psychopaths and we are supposed to support the lot of them financially because the whole thing was done under their democratic process. Oh yeah, and because one of the most miserably failed Presidents of my generation stands up and says they deserve our hard-earned tax dollars because the Israelis (whom these psychopaths have promised they will drive into the sea) have oppressed them so. Please tell me this is some kind of joke! |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 7, 2006 11:16:02 GMT -8
bounce: The bottom line outsydr, is this, "What is it you don't understand about indoctrination?"
The children bombers pose a "weak at best" military threat."Where are you getting these quotes? "The Palestinians (who just overwhelmingly voted for Hamas - talking points previously posted) are starting their kids out VERY EARLY and poisoning their minds with this shit. You do not see that as obscene. No, the problem as you see it is we're not giving them enough US taxpayer money."No, that's not the problem. I never said let's give them more money. In fact, I never said let's give them any money. I said, let's not treat them any differently now that they have new leadership, because thus far that leadership has said or done nothing since taking power to make us act against them. "How you liberals can look a population indoctrinating their kids into a system where "homicide - suicide" is seen as a glorious thing is... After all, it's all fake explosives!" And how you conservatives can look at such things as exclusive to that county is naive and downright laughable. "Well, it's fucking deranged if you ask me."No one did, but okay. "One thing is for sure... there is no trying to figure you people out and get your brain straight.
The ONLY thing we need to focus on is DEFEATING you at the polls. Thank God Jimmy Carter got beat at the polls (has he been informed of the loss yet? Sometimes it doesn't seem like it).
To try to "discuss" issues with people who can see things the way YOU DO, is pointless. After all, how indoctrination of kids into murder-suicide can be ignored while posting pics of that obscenity is seen as STOOPING. AND, Hamas needs to be given a chance and SUBSIDIZED with US tax payer dollars because, after all, they were duly elected (by people willing to teach their kids how to strap on C-4)...
We HAVE to give them our money... they were ELECTED!
That is one sicko mentality my man.
WE CAN FORGIVE OR IGNORE the obscenity. It's the POSTING OF THE PIC that outrages us!
That is beyond mindless... it's SICK!"Right. Well, you know... there's truth in that. A culture that allows its children to dress in such ways is definately corrupt, definately morally bankrupt, and definately sinful!  I admire your courage, in not only pointing out how OTHER cultures are so hoorible, but in feeling superior to them, confidently sitting in judgment of such filthy activities!  For, it is most certain, that WE in America do not indoctrinate children into our violent, hateful, or corrupt groups!!!  And please don't try telling me they're not the same thing, man. |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 7, 2006 11:20:02 GMT -8
OK let me see if I have this right. You know they recruit children to go blow themselves up amongst other peoples children, and you still think we should support them financially? Because they were democratically elected? This I did not say. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that Hamas indoctrinates youth. But I did not say that they indoctrinate for the purpose bombing. Show me ONE example of a child being used in a bombing that was claimed by Hamas, and I'll bow out of this debate declaring you the winner. |
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Post by cameron on Feb 7, 2006 11:22:29 GMT -8
ARE YOU FRIGGING SERIOUS? YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE THE CLEAR DIFFERENCE
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Post by outsydr on Feb 7, 2006 11:32:25 GMT -8
What difference? They indoctrinate, and we indoctinate. They expose their children to violent acts, and so do we. They train their children to think that their own culture is morally superior to others... AND SO DO WE!!
By the way... what's with the big text? If you're trying to compensate, there are better ways.
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Post by cameron on Feb 7, 2006 11:38:20 GMT -8
You make me sick, that you think there is a correlation between dressing a child up for Halloween and indoctrinating them into an ideology of blood lust and hatred makes me want to throw up. You are one sick puppy. There is no moral equivalence between dressing a child up for Halloween and teaching them to glorify homicide. You are one seriously clueless asshat.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Feb 7, 2006 11:53:40 GMT -8
Outsydr,
Until Hamas renounces their violent past and recognizes Israel than not a single dime should go to them.
We shouldn't support terrorists simply because they are elected. I would think that should go without saying.
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 12:25:29 GMT -8
HANG ON EVERYONE!!!!! Hold it!!!!I have outsydr figured out. The whole argument has gotten SO ridiculous that I know what the deal is:
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Post by dustdevil28 on Feb 7, 2006 17:09:32 GMT -8
His argument seems to focus and just razzing conservatives.
Either that, or he geuinly believes we should fund terrorists just cuz
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 17:25:06 GMT -8
Outsydr, you are a troll! It must be all you can do to keep from falling off your chair laughing! Halloween = indoctrination. Someone call this guy a cab!  |
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 17:30:01 GMT -8
On the demonkrapic web sites they boot trolls. Believe me, I know.  |
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Post by outsydr on Feb 7, 2006 19:03:50 GMT -8
So I'm a troll, eh? Okay, I'll tell you what:
I've issued a challenge to anyone on this board to show proof that Hamas has used children in any bombing. Any bombing at all, whether the child was successful in detonating or not. Anyone show proof, and I'll call myself a troll and walk away from this forum!
Until then, you'll going to have to accept that there are a lot of people such as me that don't buy into the eye-stinging load of donkey shit that you all have. Anyone reading this can see that I'm not comparing Halloween to indoctrination. I'm demonstrating that it is a cultural similarity to dress our children in fantasy garb both in the Middle East AND here!
You people don't really believe that those babies are REALLY being sent out to die, do you? Come on! And you call ME the sick one?? Do you honestly think that if a group as famous as Hamas would EVER be able survive (to say nothing of succeed in the election) if they KILLED BABIES??
So come on, people! You're all so certain of yourselves, so certain of the evil, so confident of the indoctrination. Let's see the proof!
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 19:15:03 GMT -8
OK, so here we are... What's the definition of the word CHILD. What I think YOU are planning to do is redefine what is INTERNATIONALLY accepted as a "child." Tell me I'm wrong. |
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 19:21:24 GMT -8
This is a piece of the following link. I grant that it isn't exactly "evidence," but I'll look around. The suicide bombing got out of control—so much so that even Hamas became worried. There was outrage among Palestinians when Hamas started sending children on no-escape missions in the Gaza Strip. "I am going to be a shahid," said fourteen-year-old Ismail abu Nida to his mother. She did not take him seriously but the child meant what he said and he was killed while taking part in an attack. The same happened to Yussuf Zakoot, fourteen, and Anwar Hamduna, thirteen. Hamas sensed, however, that the families were angry and, according to reports in the Palestinian press, it changed its recruiting tactics. This is where I got it - it's a ways down the article" www.nybooks.com/articles/15979 |
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Post by bounce on Feb 7, 2006 19:29:00 GMT -8
For a group that doesn't recruit children, some one says this kid was active in Hamas since age 7! 'He Is Still a Child' Nasser blames the entire environment, from the military actions of Israel to the endless, violent images on Palestinian television. "There are a lot of events stamped in his head that make him think this way," Nasser said of the boy. "I tried to convince him that he is still a child, that he should wait until he understands the whole picture. And then when he is old enough he can decide for himself. But a child cannot make these decisions." Um Nidal Farahat, a Gazan mother of four, has a very different attitude. She says she encouraged her sons, from a young age, to attack Israeli targets and become martyrs. One son, Mohammed, 17, was killed in March when he attacked Atzmona, a Jewish settlement in the southern Gaza Strip, and killed five youths there. Mohammed had been active with Hamas' military wing since he was 7, Um Nidal told the Saudi newspaper Asharq al Awsat last month. Here's the link: www.middleeastfacts.com/Articles/teenage-suicide-bombers.php |
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