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Post by jfree on May 16, 2006 12:32:24 GMT -8
They will leave if you make it a requirment of getting a guest worker visa. And then show some serious enforcement starting w/employers and cutting social services and outlawing anchor babies.
Question: Don't you think these people have anything at all to answer for? Don't you think they need to be humble and show some respect to the people's who social services they have over burdoned, wages they have lowered and country they have disrespected? Is there no room for personal accountability?
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 12:38:20 GMT -8
If you're unwilling to abide our laws, you don't deserve to be here.
I do deserve to be here, and you don't get to make that judgment just because I disagree with you. It's seems very clear what sort of a nation you would turn us into if you were in charge. Sure glad your not. I just skimmed your post your boiling my blood with the personal attacks. I'm trying not to return the favor you will get my reply when I can give to you with out being as rude as you are being to me.
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 12:40:34 GMT -8
They will leave if you make it a requirment of getting a guest worker visa. And then show some serious enforcement starting w/employers and cutting social services and outlawing anchor babies. Question: Don't you think these people have anything at all to answer for? Don't you think they need to be humble and show some respect to the people's who social services they have over burdoned, wages they have lowered and country they have disrespected? Is there no room for personal accountability? EXACTLY! I love that term jfree... "Anchor baby." They hurry across the border, drop a baby on the ground, and expect immediate citizenship. Screw that! That shit has GOT to be changed. |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 12:43:03 GMT -8
If you're unwilling to abide our laws, you don't deserve to be here.I do deserve to be here, and you don't get to make that judgment just because I disagree with you. It's seems very clear what sort of a nation you would turn us into if you were in charge. Sure glad your not. I just skimmed your post your boiling my blood with the personal attacks. I'm trying not to return the favor you will get my reply when I can give to you with out being as rude as you are being to me. I'm not saying anything about disagreeing with you. I'm saying if you retain the right to violate any damn law you want at the time of your choosing (and then call it civil disobedience) you don't deserve to be here. It's not ME your're disagreeing with. It's our laws! The last thing we need is even more lawbreaking. |
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 12:44:07 GMT -8
They will leave if you make it a requirment of getting a guest worker visa. And then show some serious enforcement starting w/employers and cutting social services and outlawing anchor babies. Question: Don't you think these people have anything at all to answer for? Don't you think they need to be humble and show some respect to the people's who social services they have over burdoned, wages they have lowered and country they have disrespected? Is there no room for personal accountability? There is a market for their labor and the only way for you to enforce your laws is to turn the country into a police state. Not going to happen on either count, so start getting used to reality. |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 12:44:22 GMT -8
If you're unwilling to abide our laws, you don't deserve to be here.I do deserve to be here, and you don't get to make that judgment just because I disagree with you. It's seems very clear what sort of a nation you would turn us into if you were in charge. Sure glad your not. I just skimmed your post your boiling my blood with the personal attacks. I'm trying not to return the favor you will get my reply when I can give to you with out being as rude as you are being to me. LOL Yeah, I'd turn us into a nation of laws that are enforced. That would sure suck now wouldn't it? |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 12:45:33 GMT -8
And another thing Cameron, where are you getting this "personal attack" thing???
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 12:48:12 GMT -8
If you're unwilling to abide our laws, you don't deserve to be here.I do deserve to be here, and you don't get to make that judgment just because I disagree with you. It's seems very clear what sort of a nation you would turn us into if you were in charge. Sure glad your not. I just skimmed your post your boiling my blood with the personal attacks. I'm trying not to return the favor you will get my reply when I can give to you with out being as rude as you are being to me. I'm not saying anything about disagreeing with you. I'm saying if you retain the right to violate any damn law you want at the time of your choosing (and then call it civil disobedience) you don't deserve to be here. It's not ME your're disagreeing with. It's our laws! The last thing we need is even more lawbreaking. My rights come from God and are guaranteed in our Constitution. If a law violates my rights I'm not necessarily obligated to abide by it. In most cases it is enough to work within the system to change the law in some cases (like Slavery) I'm obligated to be disobedient. |
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 12:49:43 GMT -8
And another thing Cameron, where are you getting this "personal attack" thing??? Oh I don't know implying I lack loyalty or have no right to be here might have something to do with it. Ya think? put yourself in my shoes and read what you have written to me. |
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 12:56:26 GMT -8
If you're unwilling to abide our laws, you don't deserve to be here.I do deserve to be here, and you don't get to make that judgment just because I disagree with you. It's seems very clear what sort of a nation you would turn us into if you were in charge. Sure glad your not. I just skimmed your post your boiling my blood with the personal attacks. I'm trying not to return the favor you will get my reply when I can give to you with out being as rude as you are being to me. LOL Yeah, I'd turn us into a nation of laws that are enforced. That would sure suck now wouldn't it? No it seems you would make laws that would criminalize dissent. |
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Post by cameron on May 16, 2006 13:01:35 GMT -8
They will leave if you make it a requirment of getting a guest worker visa. And then show some serious enforcement starting w/employers and cutting social services and outlawing anchor babies. Question: Don't you think these people have anything at all to answer for? Don't you think they need to be humble and show some respect to the people's who social services they have over burdoned, wages they have lowered and country they have disrespected? Is there no room for personal accountability? EXACTLY! I love that term jfree... "Anchor baby." They hurry across the border, drop a baby on the ground, and expect immediate citizenship. Screw that! That shit has GOT to be changed. your gonna hafta amend the Constitution, good luck with that. |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 13:24:43 GMT -8
There is only a market for their labor when they don't have to pay income tax, they don't have to pay for health care and they don't have to abide our laws.
That's not good enough.
If you think a "Police State" means enforcing our current laws, so be it.
You do have a way of twisting words. Hitler, racism, civil disobedience and Police State are cases in point.
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 13:28:32 GMT -8
I'm not saying anything about disagreeing with you. I'm saying if you retain the right to violate any damn law you want at the time of your choosing (and then call it civil disobedience) you don't deserve to be here. It's not ME your're disagreeing with. It's our laws! The last thing we need is even more lawbreaking. My rights come from God and are guaranteed in our Constitution. If a law violates my rights I'm not necessarily obligated to abide by it. In most cases it is enough to work within the system to change the law in some cases (like Slavery) I'm obligated to be disobedient. So, now you are trying to equate having to enter the country legally and identify yourself as being here in the country LEGALLY with "Slavery." Surely you don't expect me to take you seriously. This is SO mindless I cannot believe I am seeing you try to make the point. You're smarter than this. |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 13:33:09 GMT -8
And another thing Cameron, where are you getting this "personal attack" thing??? Oh I don't know implying I lack loyalty or have no right to be here might have something to do with it. Ya think? put yourself in my shoes and read what you have written to me. You is a generic "YOU" in the case of the "right to be here." I speak to each potential law-breaker and illegal alien, individually. If you are in favor of continuing the current INVASION we are experiencing, if you are trying to make us feel GUILTY for wanting to uphold our laws and then you call us "Hitlers" "Racists" and a "Police State" for it... then yeah, I'd say that pretty much gives me pause when considering your "loyalty." |
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Post by bounce on May 16, 2006 13:34:21 GMT -8
LOL Yeah, I'd turn us into a nation of laws that are enforced. That would sure suck now wouldn't it? No it seems you would make laws that would criminalize dissent. Dissent can be done legally. You'd choose the illegal option and that makes it a criminal act. |
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