Unhappy campers: The Republicans' base is mad.

[bounce]

cameron said:

bounce said:

EXACTLY!

I love that term jfree... "Anchor baby." They hurry across the border, drop a baby on the ground, and expect immediate citizenship.

Screw that! That shit has GOT to be changed.

your gonna hafta amend the Constitution, good luck with that.

That's EXACTLY my intent.

Talk about bogus laws. When certain laws hinder our national sovereignty, it deserves to be changed. AND, by the way, I'd plan on changing the law LEGALLY.

[cameron]

bounce said:

There is a market for their labor and the only way for you to enforce your laws is to turn the country into a police state. Not going to happen on either count, so start getting used to reality.

There is only a market for their labor when they don't have to pay income tax, they don't have to pay for health care and they don't have to abide our laws.

That's not good enough.

If you think a "Police State" means enforcing our current laws, so be it.

You do have a way of twisting words. Hitler, racism, civil disobedience and Police State are cases in point.

I'm not twisting a thing and you are going to be very disappointed because what you want is not going to happen. BET ON IT.

[cameron]

bounce said:

cameron said:

My rights come from God and are guaranteed in our Constitution. If a law violates my rights I'm not necessarily obligated to abide by it. In most cases it is enough to work within the system to change the law in some cases (like Slavery) I'm obligated to be disobedient.

So, now you are trying to equate having to enter the country legally and identify yourself as being here in the country LEGALLY with "Slavery."

Surely you don't expect me to take you seriously.

This is SO mindless I cannot believe I am seeing you try to make the point. You're smarter than this.

I was not equating it with slavery gee I seem to have been mistaken I thought you were a lot smarter then you seem to be.

[cameron]

bounce said:

cameron said:

Oh I don't know implying I lack loyalty or have no right to be here might have something to do with it. Ya think? put yourself in my shoes and read what you have written to me.

You is a generic "YOU" in the case of the "right to be here." I speak to each potential law-breaker and illegal alien, individually.

If you are in favor of continuing the current INVASION we are experiencing, if you are trying to make us feel GUILTY for wanting to uphold our laws and then you call us "Hitlers" "Racists" and a "Police State" for it... then yeah, I'd say that pretty much gives me pause when considering your "loyalty."

current INVASION


Put down the tinfoil and step back from the tofu. Inavasion? talk about hyped up BS. The are not invading they are coming here to work. Seriously get a grip on yourself, you're going moonbat.

[cameron]

bounce said:

cameron said:

No it seems you would make laws that would criminalize dissent.

Dissent can be done legally. You'd choose the illegal option and that makes it a criminal act.

Hahahahaha ya whatever Duuuuuude

[jfree]

So Cam and FF, I am really curious, do you not think they have done anything wrong, that they have nothing to answer for after siphoning off 26bil in our tax money and breaking our laws and lowering our wages? Is there no room in reality for honesty and personal accountability?

[bounce]

I'm not twisting a thing and you are going to be very disappointed because what you want is not going to happen. BET ON IT

Just as they tried to do on May 01, you are trying to use "white guilt" against me with the words "Hitler" "racist" and "Police state." Fewer and fewer of us are reacting to that bullshit anymore (I am damn sure one who is not affected by that ridiculous crap).

I am sure you think you are winning this discussion, but I'm telling you, you are coming across as a total loon.

Now, as to "what will never happen," we'll see about that. However, politicians who think we have no right to national sovereignty and national security, or politicians who refuse to MAKE IT HAPPEN are about to face an election. When those who refuse to act are swept out of office, the rest may very well take notice.

There is about to be a revolution out here. You obviously think that is the fault of American citizens (little Hitler racists) trying to secure our borders. The private sector out here is so fed up with the inaction of our politicians that we're starting to take matters into our own hands.

You say it isn't going to happen... you are free to think whatever you want and we are free to defend our national security. You want to call that a "Police State," and I will call it defending national sovereignty.

We WILL take action. We ARE taking action. I am NOT handing my home over to a bunch of fucking illegal-immigrant Mexicans.

[FightingFalcon]

jfree said:

So Cam and FF, I am really curious, do you not think they have done anything wrong, that they have nothing to answer for after siphoning off 26bil in our tax money and breaking our laws and lowering our wages? Is there no room in reality for honesty and personal accountability?

Yes, they did something wrong. No, I don't advocate it. But I UNDERSTAND it.

Don't tell me that you wouldn't act the same way if in their shoes. Honestly, don't give me that BS.

I agree with what President Bush said - these people broke the law and owe a debt to society, e.g. community service, learn English, etc. NOT deportation. America doesn't have the stomach for deportation and we'll never go through with it.

I don't advocate breaking the law but I can understand why they did. Anyone who can't sympathize with these people just has no heart whatsoever...

[FightingFalcon]

We WILL take action. We ARE taking action. I am NOT handing my home over to a bunch of fucking illegal-immigrant Mexicans.

I hope that's legal action.

Cause if you take the law into your own hands you are going to be the worst hypocrite I've ever seen.

[bounce]

current INVASION


Put down the tinfoil and step back from the tofu. Inavasion? talk about hyped up BS. The are not invading they are coming here to work. Seriously get a grip on yourself, you're going moonbat.

You clearly haven't a fucking clue. If they want to work, they can get here legally, pay their taxes and pay their health-care bills.

You know, you haven't put up a single meaningful argument for your attitude.

You've repeatedly been reduced to name calling.

I accept your surrender.

When you have a factual and honest argument... you know, one where you make points germane to something, I will respond.

So far, you've been reduced to blathering idiocy.

[cameron]

jfree said:

So Cam and FF, I am really curious, do you not think they have done anything wrong, that they have nothing to answer for after siphoning off 26bil in our tax money and breaking our laws and lowering our wages? Is there no room in reality for honesty and personal accountability?

So how much is their labor worth Jfree? The are not a net drain on the economy they are a net asset. You pay a lot less for many things you buy because they are here. You are making an argument out of ignorance of my position, you only think you know what it is. Bouncer has been to preoccupied trying to better me and put me down, rather then eliciting my position. I am not an open borders advocate. I'm for sane rational solutions that will work. I want the borders secured because al Qaeda is going to strike us again, it's only a matter of time I fear. There is room for both honesty and accountability understand that is a two street. This problem has been festering for what 30 years. It is not as simple as OK time for them to go home. Some of these people have been here bought homes raised families sent their kids to war. Check out the number of Spanish kids in our armed services. How much you want to bet a large percentage of them have parents here who are illegals? What was surprising about the recent demonstrations organized by the communists is the numbers that did not in fact show up for their little party. Bush laid out a sensible position go read the speech then come back and talk to me.

[jfree]

I have seen many shows that show illegals being caught, not one, I repeat not one was skinny. They were all about as svelt as Delta Burke. Have you been to the jungle? You do realize it is full of fruit and animals and all sorts of things to eat right? These people aren't starving, they just want a better life. Sure I can understand wanting a better life, but would you want a better life thru walking on the back of others? They lowered our wages, you use to make a great living in contruction, now, forget it. Why? Because of illegals. Illegals are not paying taxes unless they have forged documents, most do not. You have to keep up a pretense and file taxes when using forged documents.

In order to discourage more abuses we need to be tuff, like it or not, sometimes a little timeout don't work, they need a spankin. Go home and apply, enter legally, show us we can trust you, then you can work here. And no more Anchor Babies.....

[cameron]

Mario asked me an honest question and I gave an honest answer.

Not you, Bouncer you have acted like a complete ASSHOLE so you know what?

THIS IS FOR YOU BOUNCER

[cameron]

jfree said:

I have seen many shows that show illegals being caught, not one, I repeat not one was skinny. They were all about as svelt as Delta Burke. Have you been to the jungle? You do realize it is full of fruit and animals and all sorts of things to eat right? These people aren't starving, they just want a better life. Sure I can understand wanting a better life, but would you want a better life thru walking on the back of others? They lowered our wages, you use to make a great living in contruction, now, forget it. Why? Because of illegals. Illegals are not paying taxes unless they have forged documents, most do not. You have to keep up a pretense and file taxes when using forged documents.

In order to discourage more abuses we need to be tuff, like it or not, sometimes a little timeout don't work, they need a spankin. Go home and apply, enter legally, show us we can trust you, then you can work here. And no more Anchor Babies.....

JFree it's not going to happen, there is a market here for their labor and that is not their fault. You are not going to prevent there from being a market here for their labor any more than you can prevent there from being a market for illegal drugs. We need honest workable solutions. Like I said go read the presidents speech then we can talk.

[bounce]

cameron said:

Mario asked me an honest question and I gave an honest answer.

Not you, Bouncer you have acted like a complete ASSHOLE so you know what?

Call me what you will. I'm bullet proof. However, you still haven't posted a single meaningful, factual, relevant statement on this issue. There is no way you can get around THAT with bullshit like this.

Moreover, I have never met a LEGAL immigrant with your attitude.

We're done rolling over for people like you. If you don't like it, tough.