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Post by AmericanPride on Jan 29, 2006 21:25:11 GMT -8
The sole purpose of the United Nations is to facilitate American foreign policy and to function as a organizational instrument of US interests abroad. As an international institution, it maintains the capacity to dictate, suppress, or project the interests of secondary powers with interests inferior or contradictory to that of the United States. Therefore, as an organization subservient to the world's lone superpower in pursuit of sustaining its capability of global power projection, the United Nations is an integral component of American political policy and of establishing legitimacy for the same.
Consequently, American policy is accompanied by economic prosperity, political openness, and national stability. These are evident in locations such as Iraq and Afghanistan where billions of American dollars have been invested in the infrastructure, development, and future of the countries' respective populations. The recent elections in Iraq and Afghanstan further demonstrate America's committment to the ideals of the United Nations - foundations that are ignored by many of the organization's members. For empty political excuses, such countries oppose American policies that are consistent with United Nations ideals, including the liberation of 25 million Iraqi citizens. The United Nations as an organization provides the capability to de-legitimize such opposition, and to reduce it to simple political discourse, permitting the United States and her Western allies to pursue global policies of democratization with minimal economic, military, or other physical barriers.
Indeed, it requires the overwhelming superiority of the American nation to maintain the stability and ideological guidence in an organization as diverse as the United Nations. With member governments guilty of mass murder and other gross violations of the United Nations Charter, including countless violations of subsequent resolutions (including the stipulation of the necessity of force against the Hussein regime should it fail to comply) the strength enjoyed by the United States can potentially provide the United Nations with a security component capable of defending, projecting, and sustaining the democratic ideals.
In conclusion, the United Nations has an essential role in the future policies of the American Nation, serving as a primary component in assisting the American people in fulfilling their obligations to world prosperity and the development of Mankind.
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Post by MrDoublel on Jan 29, 2006 22:34:18 GMT -8
Unfortunately, the UN has become a farce. Nations like China will oppose any moves at officially sanctioned democritization. Their recent attempt to gain control of the internet is an excellent example of how the corrupt nations within the UN will work agains the basic freedoms we enjoy. Just take a look at what countries are on the Human Rights Commission. That in, and of itself shows how far the UN has fallen.
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Post by bounce on Jan 30, 2006 7:59:13 GMT -8
I like Rush Limbaugh's analogy:
"The UN is right out of the Star Wars Bar Scene."
That about wraps it up as far as I'm concerned.
lol
Bounce
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Post by AmericanPride on Jan 30, 2006 9:54:11 GMT -8
The UN serves several functions:
(1) It forces the interests of weaker states into a formal and controlled political arena;
(2) It legitimizes US policy abroad;
(3) It reveals the interests of our national adversaries.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Jan 30, 2006 10:01:42 GMT -8
I lost just about any respect I had for the UN when France said they would veto any resolution authorizing military force against Iraq.
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Post by AmericanPride on Jan 30, 2006 10:02:47 GMT -8
I lost just about any respect I had for the UN when France said they would veto any resolution authorizing military force against Iraq. The obvious solution then is not to dismantle the UN, but to reform it in such a way that France's political influence is diminished. |
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Post by bounce on Jan 30, 2006 10:43:45 GMT -8
The UN serves several functions: (1) It forces the interests of weaker states into a formal and controlled political arena; (2) It legitimizes US policy abroad; (3) It reveals the interests of our national adversaries. Yeah, and it set up Saddam's oil for food program (the biggest scandal in world history) and it looks the other way when children are raped by UN workers in countries they're supposedly trying to help. The UN is the MOST CORRUPT organization in world history. Bounce |
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Post by tits on Jan 30, 2006 11:43:37 GMT -8
back to Iraq or any unstable wearing baby powder blue helmets makes me sick.
The UN has some good organizations under its banner.
HOWEVER, THE BUREAUCRACY KILLS IT. WHEN THE PRESIDENT HAS A SON CHARGED WITH FRAUD AND HE DOES NOT STEP DOWN TELLS ME THAT EGOS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN SUBSTANCE.
This is no different than the $5 billion of misspent dollars on blind contracts to rebuild Iraq. Big money with little accountability will draw out the sharks better than chum.
I miss the Cold War when the enemy had a real face. This age of religious zealots and Frenegei capitalism is killing me.
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Post by dustdevil28 on Jan 30, 2006 12:10:11 GMT -8
I lost just about any respect I had for the UN when France said they would veto any resolution authorizing military force against Iraq. The obvious solution then is not to dismantle the UN, but to reform it in such a way that France's political influence is diminished. Should we than get rid of the veto option for the five permanent members? |
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Post by Remey688 on Jan 30, 2006 13:29:49 GMT -8
The role of the UN is to clear out of the building on the East River
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Post by bounce on Jan 30, 2006 20:37:12 GMT -8
The role of the UN is to clear out of the building on the East River Hey Remey! You need to go buy something at my Walgreens over in Bethany! LOL Just kidding. How ya doing'? Bob |
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Post by MrDoublel on Jan 30, 2006 22:41:33 GMT -8
Reform can only begin after Anon is ousted. But, since he supports the totaliterian regimes that have formed a cabal to work against the free countries of the world the UN cannot be reformed. I think we should continue to work with the UN on it's charitable organizations and withdraw on everything else. I could think of better things to spend our treasure on.
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Post by tits on Jan 31, 2006 19:25:50 GMT -8
leaders, they seem to act as if the world is no different than their little dictatorships.
On second thought, it seems to be a trait of all Third World countries. That mad-man in Venezuela would be just another drug lord if it was not for the oil. Look at the ME, oil money does not equate to intelligence or social skills.
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Post by LorSpi on Feb 4, 2006 6:41:47 GMT -8
Never has been. Never was designed to be. The USG is charged with promoting US interests, not an international agency. National governments promote their own interests. Why in the hell would any other national government agree to pay dues to an organization designed to promote the interest of another foreign power?
The UN is a forum where all nations are invited to participate on a semi-equal footing. The exception being the UNSC, where five nations hold a veto power.
This is the only international forum for most nations where they actually have any recognized status. For that very reason, the UN is the only place where they get any experience negotiating on the world stage for the interest of the country.
The UN is important for this very reason. These countries have no other place where they can meet as supposed equals to the nations of the first world. They have a voice - and a place to get that much needed experience. That experience is crucial if there is ever to be any progress in the international arena.
The US does not need the UN to promote its interests. In fact the UN is a burden. No ifs ands or buts. But that burden is crucial to promoting one US agenda - the raising of the standards by which international policy is conducted. The world had endured the visions of various powers as they used other countries for their little box. The reign of Europe resulted in two massive and devastating world wars. The US's vision is different - and so far has prevented any further massive wars that marked the dominance of other groups - Europe, Ottoman, Persian, Chinese. First and foremost among these - the UN. A place where everyone can come and promote their nation's agenda before everyone else. Slowly - very slowly - I believe the US vision is working. Nations promoting their agenda in a public and international forum are beginning to "own" part of the process - and have something to gain and to lose by their conduct.
There has always been mass murder. Always. And human rights atrocities. And corruption. And wars. At the UN, these national pastimes have suddenly become everybody else's business. In the 1950s nations insisted certain "issues" were "domestic" in nature. This argument has pretty much faded. This is impressive if you place this in the context of history.
The UN is unique. It is not a pretty sight. But then neither is childbirth.
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Post by Thomas on Feb 6, 2006 15:35:15 GMT -8
The U.N. should be about the U.S.We provide 33% of the U.N.'s funding.We could easily threaten them to start doing good things, or we'll take their major source of funding away.(Dont people do the opposite and blackmail for bad purposes?)
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