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Post by Far Rider on May 14, 2007 17:08:57 GMT -8
For a supposed Christian, you really are a holier than thou judgmental piece of shit. Go back and read your own posts, boy. Coming from you I find that you I find that laughable. I don't have the time, the inclination, or the patience to massage your ego. You have a lot to learn, and you are a slow learner. But learn you will, and I see that you are going to learn the hard way. |
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Post by AmericanPride on May 14, 2007 17:36:00 GMT -8
Oh, but the greater misconception is the belief that you think. And James -- I am not an atheist. Nor a religionist.  |
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Post by Far Rider on May 15, 2007 1:40:57 GMT -8
Oh, but the greater misconception is the belief that you think. Oh, I think, all right. That's something you had better learn to start doing instead of reacting. |
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Post by cataracts on May 15, 2007 1:55:01 GMT -8
For the Christian religion, justice comes after you die and is not produced at all by Christianity, but by God, who by definition exists beyond the scope of religion. The Christian religion, or any other religion for that matter, does not create justice. Religion only commands, monitors, and regulates. Religion is inherently in contradiction to justice. Being formed and governed by men, its scope and powers are limited by the subjective and imperfect nature of Mankind. Therefore, the justice delivered by religion, if at all, is simply a reflection of what justice mankind does or does not accord to his fellow man. Boy, are you laboring under a misconception. God ordains governments to administer justice, independent of any church, and that is in the Bible. He ordains whole nations to administer justice to other nations - what do you think those books in the OT were about where they slaughter everybody in sight? Individuals and whole nations end up paying one way or another. It's scattered all through the Bible. The biggest problem with non-believers is that they always want justice for someone else. They want to other guy to get his and they think they're good guys and don't deserve to be judged for anything. But you will be, in this life or the next. But even in Judaism, the just live by faith - that will get you out of the judgement you deserve and have coming. Christianity is the ultimate in forgiveness. Some people just want to take their chances with judgement, because, like I said, they think justice is for the other guy. Far Rider, I had to laugh at the way you and FF were going at it. Nothing will change with him for awhile. God will call him if he's coming. I thought your message on the Church was very good. The only thing I would like to add to it is that the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ. No one gets in by themselves. You must come in on the sleeve of the Church. The Church's job is to pass on the Revelations of Jesus Christ to the faithful. To keep those teachings in good order. To warn us if there is something amiss. Also to make it possible to give us His body, blood, soul, and divinity through the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Cataracts |
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Post by Far Rider on May 15, 2007 4:23:38 GMT -8
Boy, are you laboring under a misconception. God ordains governments to administer justice, independent of any church, and that is in the Bible. He ordains whole nations to administer justice to other nations - what do you think those books in the OT were about where they slaughter everybody in sight? Individuals and whole nations end up paying one way or another. It's scattered all through the Bible. The biggest problem with non-believers is that they always want justice for someone else. They want to other guy to get his and they think they're good guys and don't deserve to be judged for anything. But you will be, in this life or the next. But even in Judaism, the just live by faith - that will get you out of the judgement you deserve and have coming. Christianity is the ultimate in forgiveness. Some people just want to take their chances with judgement, because, like I said, they think justice is for the other guy. Far Rider, I had to laugh at the way you and FF were going at it. Nothing will change with him for awhile. God will call him if he's coming. I thought your message on the Church was very good. The only thing I would like to add to it is that the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ. No one gets in by themselves. You must come in on the sleeve of the Church. The Church's job is to pass on the Revelations of Jesus Christ to the faithful. To keep those teachings in good order. To warn us if there is something amiss. Also to make it possible to give us His body, blood, soul, and divinity through the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Cataracts To be honest, I don't know if either James or AP really know what they think, or if they're just doing their "rage against the machine " or "rebel without a clue" bit. But you're right, there's nothing I can say to change their minds. As always, my words are for those who are open to them. |
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 15, 2007 4:58:14 GMT -8
Cataracts I'm just curious about something - Far Rider is an Episcopalian. Is he going to Hell for not being a Catholic?
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Post by cataracts on May 20, 2007 5:25:34 GMT -8
Cataracts I'm just curious about something - Far Rider is an Episcopalian. Is he going to Hell for not being a Catholic? Good grief FF, I don't know who is going to hell or who is not. Even the Protestant religions are considered a "part of the Church". Even a Hindu in the India back country has a chance for Heaven if he is living his life properly and to the best of his ability. With our faith and understanding, Jesus may demand more from us. This also goes along with the understanding that morer will be demanded from us for us to reach Heaven. By the way FF. You have no excuses. You were raised in a country surrounded by Christian Churches. You are constantly speaking with Christians. My guess is that within a five mile radiis of your home there are at least two Christian Churches. You have been given a lot and a lot will be expected from you. Cataracts |
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