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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 4:33:32 GMT -8
Well here's the deal Mario... The demonkraps were hijacked. Stray off the reservation and you're OUT!
You either fall in to lock-step, or you're OUT!
Why would you want to work for a party like that?
What they need is a good, hard, BITCH SLAP!
They have drifted WAY TOO FAR LEFT and I'm not going there.
They need to be replaced by people who will listen to the base, not command it.
As jfree says, "They work for US!" It's clearly time to remind them of that.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 4:38:22 GMT -8
Well here's the deal Mario... The demonkraps were hijacked. Stray off the reservation and you're OUT! You either fall in to lock-step, or you're OUT! Why would you want to work for a party like that? What they need is a good, hard, BITCH SLAP! They have drifted WAY TOO FAR LEFT and I'm not going there. They need to be replaced by people who will listen to the base, not command it. As jfree says, "They work for US!" It's clearly time to remind them of that. I've said many times I follow politics the way some follow sports. I actually own political almanacs. Bounce has no clue his recipes for success will lead to failure. Time will vindicate my assessments of his proscriptions. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 4:54:32 GMT -8
Well, I'll tell you what Cameron... I am done fighting with you because 101, Mario and jfree are doing a much better job.
However, if you would stop for a second and take a look at France, you'd see that we ALREADY KNOW that what you're proposing will lead to national destruction. Their problem is Muslims, but it's the same damn issue.
Your assertions of "I'm right and you're wrong," and "You scare the hell out of me" don't change anything. We already have the evidence.
101, Mario and jfree are exactly right.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 4:59:41 GMT -8
Well, I'll tell you what Cameron... I am done fighting with you because 101, Mario and jfree are doing a much better job. However, if you would stop for a second and take a look at France, you'd see that we ALREADY KNOW that what you're proposing will lead to national destruction. Their problem is Muslims, but it's the same damn issue. Your assertions of "I'm right and you're wrong," and "You scare the hell out of me" don't change anything. We already have the evidence. 101, Mario and jfree are exactly right. What do you know of what is going on in France? Do you want me hook you up with some really good sites to find out what is going on in France? I have a real good working knowledge, do you? To try to claim what is happening in France with their minority Muslim population in any way parallels events here is to betray an ignorance that is breath taking. You should learn not to discuss things you have little or no knowledge of. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 5:23:29 GMT -8
No thanks.
If your "real good working knowledge" of France is anything close to your real good working knowledge of what's going on here in the SW parts of THIS COUNTRY...
I can see it for myself.
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Post by 101ABN on May 17, 2006 6:05:55 GMT -8
"To try to claim what is happening in France with their minority Muslim population in any way parallels events here is to betray an ignorance that is breath taking. "
Let's see...uncontrolled immigration, an impoverished, unassmilated population that prefers to maintain it's own culture and language, and a welfare state mentality that sustains their second-class status.
More alike than different, I'd say.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 6:23:59 GMT -8
Ok what's this going to be 101? A new topic every day? You want to do this with me great, the Muslim population is experiencing something like 25% unemployment more than double the unemployment in the rest of the population. Does that really seem comparable to you? They have third generation Muslims that don't speak French and even if they do are not considered to be French again see a real comparison do you? For almost 100% of our third generation Spanish immigrants here, legal and illegal alike, English is their only language, and are completly assimilated into the culture. Ya you're right almost an exact fit. Thanks for putting me straight on that. Would you like me to recomend some books for you to read or do you think you can keep up with me while being completly ignorant of the topic just like Bouncer? Here are some of the French sites I check in with. I have more but that you should do ya for awhile plus you can just use there blog links to investigate. www.e-nough.hmdnsgroup.com/no-pasaran.blogspot.com/www.thedissidentfrogman.com/dacha/index.html
Buddhist RepublicansI remarked somewhere, on this blog or the other one, that one of my earliest political memories was seeing a Vietnamese Buddhist monk on the evening news immolate himself. He seemed peaceful, in the Lotus position. Just another Karma-related fatality, though; didn't do much for Vietnam. Well, tonight I have seen Republicans set themselves on fire. I don't really know what got the monk's toga twisted. But illegal immigration has really done it for Republicans. Check the Corner, where Kathryn Lopez has made an absolute ass of herself; check the open thread at Redstate, check the comment thread on your favorite conservative blog. By their lights, President Bush's position on immigration -- which, I'll go out on a limb and predict the polls will show, probably seems eminently reasonable to most Americans who were hearing it for the first time -- has destroyed the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Never mind that this president has a solid history of meaning what he says. Never mind his abrogation of the ABM treaty. His withdrawal of the Kyoto treaty. His response to 9/11, not just in Afghanistan but the bold domestic response. His response to Saddam Hussein's continued provocations. His calling the North Korean spade a spade. His tax cuts. Fifteen or whatever it is consecutive quarters of economic growth. 4.7 percent unemployment. His relentless campaign to drill the Arctic. A rare first-term by-election in which Republicans recaptured the Senate. A re-election in the face of the fiercest liberal counter-attack in the modern history of American politics. And in which by the way the American electorate gave us four more Senate seats. A sixth-year election in which the Republicans will probably hold both houses of Congress. Roberts, Alito and a host of other district and appellate originalists. Never mind all that. You want to spill the gas and flick your Bic over illegal immigration? Illegal fucking immigration??? Well you just go right ahead. Fucking Buddhists. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 6:42:01 GMT -8
Ok what's this going to be 101? A new topic every day? You want to do this with me great, the Muslim population is experiencing something like 25% unemployment more than double the unemployment in the rest of the population. Does that really seem comparable to you? They have third generation Muslims that don't speak French and even if they do are not considered to be French again see a real comparison do you? For almost 100% of our third generation Spanish immigrants here, legal and illegal alike, English is their only language, and are completly assimilated into the culture. Ya you're right almost an exact fit. Thanks for putting me straight on that. Would you like me to recomend some books for you to read or do you think you can keep up with me while being completly ignorant of the topic just like Bouncer? What makes you think the employment rate is any different here. They have found their way onto our welfare and food-stamp programs. How do you know how many of them are busting their asses and how many aren't? We don't even know for sure how many are here! |
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 6:46:03 GMT -8
Ok what's this going to be 101? A new topic every day? You want to do this with me great, the Muslim population is experiencing something like 25% unemployment more than double the unemployment in the rest of the population. Does that really seem comparable to you? They have third generation Muslims that don't speak French and even if they do are not considered to be French again see a real comparison do you? For almost 100% of our third generation Spanish immigrants here, legal and illegal alike, English is their only language, and are completly assimilated into the culture. Ya you're right almost an exact fit. Thanks for putting me straight on that. Would you like me to recomend some books for you to read or do you think you can keep up with me while being completly ignorant of the topic just like Bouncer? What makes you think the employment rate is any different here. They have found their way onto our welfare and food-stamp programs. How do you know how many of them are busting their asses and how many aren't? We don't even know for sure how many are here! You know what why don't you produce some facts to prove your idiotic claims? You are full of shit, you have no clue what you are talking about, and no problem showing it off. |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 6:52:29 GMT -8
You demand facts from me while producing none yourself.
Nice try.
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 6:56:32 GMT -8
Facts? You want facts? OK, try this on for size: Myths and lies of illegal immigration
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By Kathy McKee; January 4, 2004; published in The Sonoran News
Because the pro-illegal alien lobby has a bottomless pit of money and can hire PR people to spin (and fabricate) anything any way, there are an undue number of myths and lies that the public (and many politicians) has bought into. The FACTS are:
1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not illegal immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.
2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?
3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.
5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?
6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.
7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?
So, before you believe the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by the illegal alien lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who's saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain. Citizens Against Illegal Immigration, just like Protect Arizona NOW, is an all-volunteer, totally grass-roots organization of citizens who are making nothing and have nothing personal to gain from their efforts to fight this corruption. Whose side are you on, and what are YOU doing to save your state and country from this evil?
McKee is the state coordinator of Citizens Against Illegal Immigration, as well as director of Protect Arizona NOW. A former Quaker Sunday School teacher and Volunteer of the Year in a large metropolitan area, she has a 35-year record of charity work and philanthropy largely benefiting minorities.
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 7:00:35 GMT -8
You demand facts from me while producing none yourself. Nice try. Hahahah great primary source! nice try yourself, produce some facts, not the rantings of a well known xenophobe. you know like actual labor stats like these www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t03.htm |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 7:09:00 GMT -8
You demand facts from me while producing none yourself. Nice try. Hahahah great primary source! nice try yourself, produce some facts, not the rantings of a well known xenophobe. you know like actual labor stats like these www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t03.htmPretty funny... When you can't stand the news, attack the source. It's a typical leftist ploy. You are so transparent! |
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Post by bounce on May 17, 2006 7:10:09 GMT -8
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Post by cameron on May 17, 2006 7:18:58 GMT -8
Pretty funny... When you can't stand the news, attack the source. It's a typical leftist ploy. You are so transparent! Leftest! me a leftest? You really are a fucking moonbat. When what you propose to happen and want to happen doesn't just like I've said it wont. I am soooo going to rub your nose in it. |
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